(September 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 22, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: False dichotomy.

It can also be for separating people from society that cannot be "corrected" but which still present a danger to the rest of society.

Until you guys give me his conviction that he did molest others and, maybe, kill others, or a psych report showing that he may still do that; I'm looking at it from the point of view that he only did that one thing to that family. And then lived out his life in quiet solitude, or whatever... no harm to society for 25 years.

I don't understand how this is a response to me pointing out that you were presenting a false dichotomy in your previous post.

Is it really revenge to avenge your mother's wrongful death? Doesn't it honor her memory to say with the weight of the justice system behind you that what happened to her was wrong?

(September 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Is it really revenge to avenge your mother's wrongful death?  Doesn't it honor her memory to say with the weight of the justice system behind you that what happened to her was wrong?

Apparently, anything but rehabilitation is pure revenge.

(September 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(September 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Until you guys give me his conviction that he did molest others and, maybe, kill others, or a psych report showing that he may still do that; I'm looking at it from the point of view that he only did that one thing to that family. And then lived out his life in quiet solitude, or whatever... no harm to society for 25 years.

I don't understand how this is a response to me pointing out that you were presenting a false dichotomy in your previous post.

I didn't even addressed that part... I took the hit silently.
It's more the second part in which you seem to be assuming that the man is still a danger to society. I say that he is not likely to be such a danger. Evaluate him and then, if he is a danger, I agree he should be locked up... if not, then why bother?

(September 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Is it really revenge to avenge your mother's wrongful death?  Doesn't it honor her memory to say with the weight of the justice system behind you that what happened to her was wrong?

It's not the mother's death that's going to trial.
Why do people get so emotional about these things?

I think if you want to have a discussion about what is justice, Poca, you should start your own thread about it.

Doing in this thread strikes me as extremely poor taste, complete with smileys. Smileys.

(September 22, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I think if you want to have a discussion about what is justice, Poca, you should start your own thread about it.

Doing in this thread strikes me as extremely poor taste, complete with smileys. Smileys.

Couldn't care less beyond this thread.
Also... smileys? I used only one: smiley.

(September 22, 2015 at 12:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Is it really revenge to avenge your mother's wrongful death?  Doesn't it honor her memory to say with the weight of the justice system behind you that what happened to her was wrong?

It's not the mother's death that's going to trial.
Why do people get so emotional about these things?

That is yet to be determined.  It's emotional because people (innocent children) were intentionally harmed by someone who should know better and someone they are supposed to trust.  That makes it emotional

(September 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

I don't understand how this is a response to me pointing out that you were presenting a false dichotomy in your previous post.

I didn't even addressed that part... I took the hit silently.
It's more the second part in which you seem to be assuming that the man is still a danger to society. I say that he is not likely to be such a danger. Evaluate him and then, if he is a danger, I agree he should be locked up... if not, then why bother?

Okay, it seems we just have a misunderstanding then.

I was responding only to your question of whether the justice system is for revenge or correction. I was not intending for the additional option I presented to be applied to this situation, but merely as an example to illustrate the false dichotomy.

I have already addressed that his potential current danger to society is speculation (pending actual evidence of further abuses). (See post #52)

(September 21, 2015 at 9:02 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: So I am currently facing a tough decision in life. I think I need to preface this with a little backstory. To save from a TL;DR I will give a cliff's notes version.

I grew up in a terribly abusive home. My mother was diagnosed with MS when I was 5 and was wheelchair bound and in and out of hospitals. After we told my mother about the abuse she moved us in with our grandparents when I was 8. Two weeks before my ninth birthday she died on our back porch in front of us all. Because MS does not move that rapidly an autopsy was done and the coroner found high levels of arsenic. I remember my step father always preparing our dinners. He worked with arsenic as part of his job. His brother was a cop. Long story short he was never convicted of any charges (not even the abuse) because I was too terrified to take the stand.

I received a call yesterday that my mothers homicide case is being reopened and they want my testimony. This was 26 years ago. My dilemma here is I have moved on. I actually faced this man later in my life and got my personal closure and my life has moved on. For my other family members they still demand justice. I don't know if I really want to rehash all of that and relive it again. It cost me years of therapy and night terrors. I don't know if I want to comply and offer it up for my family members chance at justice (not guaranteed) and at what personal expense?  I know you guys don't know me aside from posts here and there but I'm I off base with not wanting to do this?  I may risk my family members being very hurt. I've tried explaining my position but they think I'm being selfish. I'm not sure.

I think you should talk to the cops and tell them what you can recall of those times. Give your testimony and show will to seek the truth. I can't really put myself on your shoes and your decision is your own. While justice is not garanteed, it is something to strive for. Either way, your call.

I'd probably had seeked justice on my own hand, a problem that is adressed and contained. Anger management &all