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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Pope Francis speaks to a massive crowd on the National Mall, Washington, DC:
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Richard Dawkins speaks to a sparse crowd at the 2012 Reason Rally at the National Mall:
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Estimates of crowd size ranged from a paltry 8,000 to an generous high of 30,000.
(N.B.: God did not show up to dry the atheists off miraculously as He did at Fatima.)
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:24 pm
You'd think a mostly protestant country wouldn't care much for catholics, but it's closer than being an atheist.
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:25 pm
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(September 26, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Archaeological evidence contradicts all four stories that make up the foundations of the Bible
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/24...al-History
Archaeologists keep finding evidence that supports the Old and New Testaments; this find dates back 3,000 years or so:
Israeli archaeologists may have found fabled Maccabees tomb
By DANIEL ESTRIN
Sep. 21, 2015 4:32 PM EDT
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b2dd69492...abees-tomb
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:27 pm
(September 26, 2015 at 6:21 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Pope Francis speaks to a massive crowd on the National Mall, Washington, DC:
Richard Dawkins speaks to a sparse crowd at the 2012 Reason Rally at the National Mall:
Estimates of crowd size ranged from a paltry 8,000 to an generous high of 30,000.
(N.B.: God did not show up to dry the atheists off miraculously as He did at Fatima.)
Yeah we know there are fewer atheists than Catholics. Nor is Dawkins or anyone else the pope of atheism.
And unlike Catholics atheists tend not to expect miraculous help. Like to see this miraculous drying off bit though. Last Fatima miracle I looked into turned out to be a common desert atmospheric condition plus eyestrain.
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm
(September 26, 2015 at 6:21 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Pope Francis speaks to a massive crowd on the National Mall, Washington, DC:
Richard Dawkins speaks to a sparse crowd at the 2012 Reason Rally at the National Mall:
Estimates of crowd size ranged from a paltry 8,000 to an generous high of 30,000.
(N.B.: God did not show up to dry the atheists off miraculously as He did at Fatima.)
I'm trying to figure out your point, here. Atheists aren't as fundamentalist about our claims as you've claimed, nor venerate Dawkins the way you have implied? That non-religion doesn't inspire fanatical devotion the way religion does?
I don't think you've really thought it through, pal.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm
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I think a lot of "Catholics" could easily be brought around to atheism though tbh. I was raised in a Catholic community and hardly anyone my age was seriously into it.
Christianity is disappearing up its arse, outside America anyway. I bet it'll be a fringe minority in Europe in 100 years, you watch.
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:29 pm
Dawkins draws smaller crowds than Francis because rationality and skepticism are rarer qualities than credulity and ignorance. Furthermore, crowd size is no indication of the merit or truth of what the speaker has to say:
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:29 pm
To put it another way, if someone tells me Dawkins is speaking in D.C., I think, "Oh, that's neat."
If someone tells a Catholic the Pope is speaking in D.C., they go "ohmygod it's better than Bieber; drop everything, we have got to go to this!!"
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:35 pm
(September 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Atheists aren't as fundamentalist about our claims as you've claimed, nor venerate Dawkins the way you have implied? That non-religion doesn't inspire fanatical devotion the way religion does?
And if they did then the theists would claim that atheism is just another religion.
I never really understood why theists keep saying that. Are they saying religion is a bad thing?
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RE: The Paradox of Power....
September 26, 2015 at 6:36 pm
(September 26, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (September 26, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Archaeological evidence contradicts all four stories that make up the foundations of the Bible
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/24...al-History
Archaeologists keep finding evidence that supports the Old and New Testaments; this find dates back 3,000 years or so:
Israeli archaeologists may have found fabled Maccabees tomb
By DANIEL ESTRIN
Sep. 21, 2015 4:32 PM EDT
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b2dd69492...abees-tomb
The problem is that places and people are not proof of supernatural occurrences. It just eans the embellished stories are based around real people and places, at best.
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