(October 4, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(October 4, 2015 at 9:43 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Always thought a shotgun to the head would be enough!

When I was in EMT training, to demonstrate an avulsive wound, they showed us video of a guy who'd attempted suicide by shotgun under the chin. It blew his mouth and nose off, and split his face open to the forehead, but he was conscious the whole time, trying to talk ... you could see the blood bubbling in his throat as his eyes wandered from one rescue person to the next.

There is a big difference in blowing your face off or blowing your brains out.

(October 1, 2015 at 3:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yeah, blaming it on atheists will be soon. I'd say in 3, 2, 1...

Sorry Im late. Atheist propaganda made him do it.
(Just didn't want to disappoint)

I see how it's easy to say America could never get rid of their guns. I've said it myself many times.

But I don't actually believe that. I think there is a chance it will happen. Not in the near future, but in the mid future perhaps. I'm not suggesting all guns will disappear, or even that no one is allowed guns. People are "allowed" guns in the UK, just you have to have (as far as I know) an actual good reason for having one. "Guns R kool" and "everyone else got one" are not good enough reasons in my book. I'm really glad England is the way it is. I think it is possible America will eventually follow suit. Our country works just fine without them. Not perfect, but fine.

Coming back to suicide, even if you don't kill yourself successfully, you're very likely to fuck yourself over really badly. Seriously, if I'd have had a gun at some points before now, I could not say with any confidence I wouldn't have used it on myself. I'd then be dead or messed up very badly. As it happens the easiest suicide tool I've had is a knife, and that's altogether a different story. I've thought about it, even willed myself at times, but actually harming yourself is not that easy. Pressing a trigger is a fuck lot easier.

I did dress up as the devil and sit by his bedside whispering into his slumbering ear "Kill. Kill. Kill."
Let me be clear on this; Are you saying this *wasn't* the correct thing to do?

(October 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: Pressing a trigger is a fuck lot easier.

I guess you have never actually looked down the barrel of a gun. It's frightening.

If anyone is serious about suicide it's pretty simple to mix household chemicals to do it. Bleach and ammonia?

(October 4, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(October 4, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: When I was in EMT training, to demonstrate an avulsive wound, they showed us video of a guy who'd attempted suicide by shotgun under the chin. It blew his mouth and nose off, and split his face open to the forehead, but he was conscious the whole time, trying to talk ... you could see the blood bubbling in his throat as his eyes wandered from one rescue person to the next.

Well there's an image I won't soon forget...

23 years ago, and I can still see it clearly in my mind's eye.

Don't ask me about my first fatal accident.

(October 4, 2015 at 2:47 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(October 4, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: When I was in EMT training, to demonstrate an avulsive wound, they showed us video of a guy who'd attempted suicide by shotgun under the chin. It blew his mouth and nose off, and split his face open to the forehead, but he was conscious the whole time, trying to talk ... you could see the blood bubbling in his throat as his eyes wandered from one rescue person to the next.

There is a big difference in blowing your face off or blowing your brains out.

As the patient in question learnt, yes.

(October 4, 2015 at 7:54 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 3:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yeah, blaming it on atheists will be soon. I'd say in 3, 2, 1...

Sorry Im late. Atheist propaganda made him do it.
(Just didn't want to disappoint)

It's okay. Went out of town for the weekend to visit the in-laws, and take the family to the Plaza in KC. 

Sometimes even I have better things to do than argue with half the country.

Quote:A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on Oregon’s Umpqua Community College campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-ve...on-killer/

This raises the question, for me, of whether having armed civilians running around a crisis-situation with their guns out trying to "help" would just cause more confusion for law enforcement and SWAT and give the potential gunman a chance to escape, if they don't intend to commit suicide-by-cop. On top of the problems of armed civilians attempting to actually take down a threat by shooting them and, in the process, potentially shooting other civilians.

(October 5, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

Quote:A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on Oregon’s Umpqua Community College campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-ve...on-killer/

This raises the question, for me, of whether having armed civilians running around a crisis-situation with their guns out trying to "help" would just cause more confusion for law enforcement and SWAT and give the potential gunman a chance to escape, if they don't intend to commit suicide-by-cop. On top of the problems of armed civilians attempting to actually take down a threat by shooting them and, in the process, potentially shooting other civilians.

It usually would be over before the swat arrived. Shit it takes cops forever to respond.