(October 6, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Exian Wrote: Understanding how to work the clit came more naturally to me than knowing how to please with penetration, precisely because its the male counterpart.

That makes sense, actually.

Quote:There was more of a curve to learning what a woman likes with penetration, and even then, it's not a for sure thing, since every woman is different, but even beyond that, I have nothing to compare it to like I do with the clit/penis comparison.

Honestly, I'm having a harder time understanding a man not liking tribadism.

yes, everyone's different, that's true.
I knew about the G-spot when I was 13, but I didn't even find my own until I was in my 30s.

But the male prostate is similar to a woman's g-spot, so, there you go.

I think tribadism is a very natural, very female thing...that even women tend to sweep aside like,
"oh, I won't miss it" but whenever its given a real chance, women always rave about it, gay or straight.
Of course I acknowledge it's not for everyone.

What's distressing is that some men would be threatened by it
...like it's too "male" or too aggressive a sexual thing for a woman to do.

Like RocketSurgeon observed:

so many men resent a woman taking charge of her own pleasure; he wants all the credit....and all the control...for it.
(failing to realize that he simultaneously puts himself under pressure, with it)

Quote:Anyways, I'd go on with more points to make, but I feel like I'm pushing it already.

what?  the Area 69 thing?  yes, I worried about that too,
but since it's an insightful and edifying discussion....and not merely cybersex....I don't think it's a big deal....is it???

(October 6, 2015 at 9:59 pm)MTL Wrote: Wow.  I have kind of mixed feelings about this.

1.  Calling them meat flaps just makes women more self-conscious about them, you know!!!
Same applies to meat curtains, roast beef, etc etc.

But I like roast beef. And they actually are meat flaps. If I didn't like them and called them that in a derogatory way then I could see what you are saying. But, I like them. I like sucking and tugging on the hanging meat.

Quote:2.  I think it's also kind of sad that you would end a relationship with a woman because of her labia.

I wouldn't leave my wife over it even though it would bother me. I was referring to the show I watched. The girl had a boyfriend and he was happy about it. If I was her boyfriend I would have been pissed and broke up.

Quote:3.  Mostly I'm just happy to hear from a man who loves the female body in it's authentic form.

I like some junk in her trunk too. There's nothing like a fat ass.

KUSA Wrote:I like some junk in her trunk too. There's nothing like a fat ass.

I agree, but I'm attracted to all sorts of female ass shapes... although super duper bony skinny is not so much my thing, the woman herself overall could still be super hot.... and for me it's MUCH more about the personality and attitude that makes a woman hot, than her body.

Most of all I like women who don't put up with shit.

I like independent women. I like women who think for themselves. I like intelligent women. I like feminists and I consider myself a feminist too. I am also a masculinist. I just like equality.

I like playing either dominant or submissive in the bedroom. But I won't go into further detail about this.

(October 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(October 6, 2015 at 10:03 pm)MTL Wrote: Well, I don't want you to feel OBLIGED or anything...only if you are interested.

Not at all, I am interested.  And I had read the earlier one.  Nice to get a frank appraisal from a woman.  Definitely appreciate that.

Can I ask if you count your self as straight?

lol....this is another discussion I was sort of holding back, on, for fear it was A69-rated.

But here goes:

I identify as straight.

When I was younger, I called myself bisexual, but I didn't feel that was a fair representation of who I really am.

Now, don't misunderstand me:

If I was gay, there wouldn't BE a closet...the "closet" would be kindling, firewood.
I am very much in support of open, unapologetic LGBT pride.

But to say I'm "bisexual" doesn't really seem accurate, and this is why:

I prefer men, by a very large margin.

I can't imagine falling in love with a woman, myself.
I don't get any particular enjoyment out of kissing girls, holding hands with girls, or cuddling with girls.

However, if the circumstances were exactly right (which they are highly unlikely to ever be)
I could have sex with a woman, no problem.

It would be an "I'll-scratch-your-back-if-you-scratch-mine" type of thing.

But, as I say, the circumstances would have to be EXACTLY PERFECT for that to actually happen

....and I won't consider my life any the poorer, if it never happens.

I will admit, to my shame, that many years ago,
if I had heard a man say something similar, like,

" Oh, I'm not gay, but I don't mind getting a blowjob from a dude, "

I would have scoffed and said he was in denial....that he was closeted gay.

Now, I understand a bit better....mutual gratification doesn't necessarily mean you're gay.

It just means you're cooperating with someone you're comfortable with.

Yes it's very natural for both boys and girls to discover that. The hard part is navigating it within a social context, without stifling it or shaming it. I'm talking specifically as a parent. Initially, all kids know is that it feels good in the same way that they find jolly ranchers to taste good. Obviously, there's nothing like lust involved, so some form of punishment would automatically make it seem like a bad thing, but at the same time, you have to make them aware of how that is perceived in public or around other family members. But how do you do that without making them feel ashamed of it? I don't want to get into too much detail because of Internet pervs, but I told my daughter, when it was apparent she had discovered herself, that it was ok and that it was normal for people to do that, but to not do it in front of anybody, just in her own privacy. And that last part made me feel like I failed in not making her feel ashamed, but how else do you say it?

(October 6, 2015 at 10:22 pm)KUSA Wrote: But I like roast beef. And they actually are meat flaps. If I didn't like them and called them that in a derogatory way then I could see what you are saying. But, I like them. I like sucking and tugging on the hanging meat.

Well, I like roast beef, too....but I don't like being CALLED roast beef.

Women generally don't like being compared to cuts of meat....even if you mean it as a compliment....

(...because I do NOT doubt that you truly like it!!!)

Quote:I like some junk in her trunk too. There's nothing like a fat ass.

Well, no-one can accuse you of mincing your words, anyway.

(October 6, 2015 at 10:41 pm)Exian Wrote: Yes it's very natural for both boys and girls to discover that. The hard part is navigating it within a social context, without stifling it or shaming it. I'm talking specifically as a parent. Initially, all kids know is that it feels good in the same way that they find  jolly ranchers to taste good. Obviously, there's nothing like lust involved, so some form of punishment would automatically make it seem like a bad thing, but at the same time, you have to make them aware of how that is perceived in public or around other family members. But how do you do that without making them feel ashamed of it? I don't want to get into too much detail because of Internet pervs, but I told my daughter, when it was apparent she had discovered herself, that it was ok and that it was normal for people to do that, but to not do it in front of anybody, just in her own privacy. And that last part made me feel like I failed in not making her feel ashamed, but how else do you say it?

I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching kids that some things are private.

You can always emphasize that just because something is private, does NOT mean that it is shameful.

It's just private.

(October 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MTL Wrote:

(October 6, 2015 at 6:05 pm)KUSA Wrote: Let's talk about some Vajayjay.

I like one that is meaty as in beef curtains. Nibbling and tugging on roast beef with my lips and tongue is where it is.

Also, I like a large clit. One that is large enough to look like a small weeny. Flicking (with tongue) and biting (lightly) that thang drives me nuts.

The smell is arousing. If I'm really horney, I like it to stink some. Every time I thrust in I like the smell to waft up.

I will say this, though:

a lot of what you mention is stuff women are self-conscious about.

Men who make women self-conscious about their pussy for any reason are either ignorant, complete fucking assholes or both. The ignorant need a mentor. The assholes need a beat-down. If they're both... Fuck it. Just neuter 'em.

(October 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MTL Wrote: Women are now paying for plastic surgery to have their labia reduced in size.

This is wrong on so many levels. The risk of nerve damage alone is more than enough reason to avoid surgery in and around the pink bits. The very idea that a man can treat a woman so poorly that she'll consider having a doctor cut up her pussy for aesthetics goes well beyond appalling.

Then, I've heard guys complain that pussies are ugly and all I can do is stare at them in utter shock and disbelief. It does make me wonder where they got their sense of aesthetics though because they certainly have poor taste.

(October 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MTL Wrote: Some women with large clits are very embarrassed by them...though not all.
and I think its because some men feel the opposite as you do, about them:

Some men avoid even a small clitoris, since it is the part on a female that corresponds to the penis of a male,
and they feel "gay" if they pay it too much attention, or something;

so some women feel ashamed of their clitoris or wanting attention paid to it,
since it is apparently deemed by their male partners as being an "unfeminine" characteristic.

Guys can be seriously fucking stupid about some things (most things when it comes to sex). Yes, the clitoris is "where the dick would be if she were a he." But, she's not. These same guys probably have no problem slobbering like dogs all over a woman's boobs even though they have those "if he were a she, this is where the boobs would be" nipples on their chest. Some basic biology and a little google searching would show them that a clitoris is not a dick, no matter how big it is. It doesn't have the same purpose (obviously), the same

Of course, if they gave a shit about whether their girl is getting off or not...

(October 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MTL Wrote: As to scent, obviously it is one of the things women are most self-conscious about,
and the feminine hygiene industry has done everything it can to increase this self-consciousness and exploit it.

I've read some blogs and comments from men, online, over the years,
and from what I've seen, the general sentiment amongst men
seems to be the EXACT OPPOSITE of what women think it is.

This is where lovers need to learn to listen to each other. Soooo many don't and it's on both sides.

Scent has certainly become exploited by the modern hygiene industry. It's not as prevalent on television now as it has been in the past (or maybe I watch the wrong shows for these particular advertisers), but I can remember being inundated with commercials about those "not so fresh days" trying to sell what essentially came down to pussy perfume. I can't say that I enjoy the smell of a funky, worked her ass off, sweaty pussy, but I do love the natural aroma of a healthy pussy. On the odd occasion I have a little trouble getting the soldier to come to attention, a few deep breaths of it makes him stand right up!

(October 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MTL Wrote: Women think they're either supposed to have no scent whatsoever,
or smell like a bouquet of roses.

I've heard men complain about women with no scent, however;

and I've heard some men get downright annoyed, or even completely turned-off,
when a woman smells artificially of flowers or baby powder or something.

No scent at all (actually, very little since none at all is impossible) isn't something I'll complain about, because I know how to get her going and smelling just fine in no time. All the artificial "pussy perfumes" on the other hand... Ugh! It's not so much the smell, though that's bad enough, it's the fucking taste. It completely overwhelms all the pussy's natural flavors with chemical tasting nastiness. It's like spraying a steak with "Jasmine and Rain Lysol." It might make the steak smell pretty (probably not, but maybe), but who the fuck want's to eat it.

(October 6, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Not getting any steady vajayjay? That is the saddest thing I've heard yet today. Losty, we need some pussy over here stat! (Balls are code blue!)

Evie is a gentleman. He would take me to dinner first. So after that happens, I'll come back and let you know if he got the vajay

(October 6, 2015 at 6:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The penis, like the vagina, is just a body part. It is not icky, it is not gross. It's just a part. We're systematically taught to be grossed out by them and/or ashamed of them, by a culture that is rooted in anti-sex religious ideologies, even if we don't easily spot the programs as they operate in our own minds. However, several books on sexual psychology go into pretty good depth on this sexual-cultural pathology.

As for the supposed "grossness" of putting a penis in your mouth, you're a couple of million times worse-off (literally, from a bacteria-count point of view) kissing a girl's hand as putting a penis or a vagina in your mouth, whether or not they are all washed. Human mouths are not much better, and are in fact worse than our genitals. These are some of the amazing things I learned in Microbiology 211. After learning just how dirty our hands and mouth are while testing various portions of the body (even did butts... yep, swabbed that sphincter!), despite our class's best efforts at brushing and rinsing mouths, and washing hospital-scrub-style with antimicrobial soap in the case of our hands, I did some quick math and realized that our genitals were significantly cleaner than the mouths they were going into.

So all the "eww" is all in our minds. You want to really be grossed out? Look at cheese or yogurt on a microscope slide, spread very thin and gram-stained so they show up. Trust me, it's a Bad Idea™.

Point is, while I'm not attracted to men sexually, from a "grossness" point of view, you're much, much better off sucking a dick than a finger. No joke.

How about the psychological eww of doing something sexual with someone you're not comfortable having sex with regardless of orientation??

I completely disagree with you. Eww isn't always about germs. People have a right to be uncomfortable with the thought of a sexual experience that makes them uncomfortable. It's not bigoted or immature.

It's hard to give a gender based example because I consider myself pansexual. But I would compare it to the thought of a sexual experience with someone who I am not comfortable. Eww. Yes the thought I have is eww. Some stranger who gives me a creepy vibe, the thought of doing anything sexual with them is eww to me. I don't think that makes me immature.