I was only ever yucked out when I was a kid.

I wouldn't even be yucked out if I had a dick in my mouth because I would only do that with consent. I was never even serious in the first place.

These forums are just a place of fun and socializing primarily for me now. There are interesting discussions sometimes but I spent years doing serious debates here and it got exhausting. I ended up typing big bold capitalized words similar to "GODDAMNIT" wayyyy too often () and I just got tired of it.

I wouldn't take me too seriously, I'm a lighthearted decent non-phobic non-bigoted nice fairly intelligent guy and I do say so myself because I finally need to stop putting myself down and realize it's not arrogant to merely claim to be nice and fairly intelligent I am allowed to like myself without being arrogant

Trust me, not worth it to be distrustful of me. If you don't trust me, get to know me or just avoid me before questioning whether I'm phobic OR a bigot. I'm a sensitive guy too ^_______^

(October 7, 2015 at 3:27 am)Losty Wrote: I also agree with this completely. There's nothing wrong with asking or encouraging people to question or challenge themselves.

I just think it's wrong to label a person as a homophobe or a bigot (because let's face it a homophobe is a bigot) just because the personally are disgusted for themselves.

I also agree. Gosh, I hope Cath-y doesn't think I really believe she is homo phobic. When I say she is slightly so in the way my wife is too, I just mean hasn't questioned the culturally implanted yucky reaction. I don't have a big judgment about it and it is nothing like being a hater. My wife is as strongly in favor of equal rights for LGBT and I think Cath-y would be too.

Quoting myself here.

myself Wrote:I mostly got upset because I warned you that it was silly and irrational of me to be upset and sensitive to you merely hypothetically suggesting the fact that I may be homophobic. I just detest homophobia so much and this is why I warned you that it upset me and I wanted to clarify and you to drop even the idea of me being homophobic.

As I said, I'm not remotely homophobic. But I do wonder whether I might be homophobic-phobic. I may have an irrational fear of all homophobes. Or is that really irrational? May be a bit irrational to fear homophobes considereding I'm straight myself - but I am protective of my gay friends

So is it really irrational of me?

(October 7, 2015 at 4:48 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: This is quite the straw-man here. Finding gay sex repulsive inside oneself is not nearly the same as refusing to be in the same room with a gay person. Are you reading what I'm reading? So far as I can see, no one has said they wouldn't share the same space with a gay person. Perhaps you should read what is actually being written in this discussion.

I don't look on gay sex as a "threat" to me, either. But I sure as hell don't want it. Why are my desires -- and my repulsions -- anybody's business, when I already understand that freedom for all to be who they wish is paramount? When I've already gone to the mat for equal rights? My feelings are my own -- but "threatened" isn't one of them.

I've asked myself why I find gay sex repulsive for my own personal circumstances. I don't owe you any answers (although I've given a couple, which you seem to have ignored), so long as I don't push my views on you.

If someone wants to call me a bigot because of that, great, have at it.  I know myself, and I know they're wrong about me.

Since I agree with MTL, I should clarify that I don't think being repulsed by homosexuality (inside) makes anyone a bigot. Not at all. All that matters is how we treat each other and I know you to be a guy who gives everyone a gracious greeting and after that "makes change in the coin tendered". You're no bigot.

But I believe there is something desirable about questioning the inner yucky. It is like when you do yoga and discover that there are muscle groups which are opposing your intentions and you learn to relax them. I think the (inner) yucky feeling toward gayness is like an inner tension which serves no function, a cultural relic that gives you nothing. You're better off without it. The icky feeling isn't you. It is just cultural overlay.

(October 7, 2015 at 7:47 am)houseofcantor Wrote: Vajayjay is the kid who lives downstairs. I assume you're talking about vaginas. I don't know why, exactly. I also don't know why "meh" wasn't an option.

Wow!  This is a record for the most number of posts before the construction of the choices received criticism.  No one has even questioned the omission of a "fuck all polls" option.  

But seriously I agree with you that it is a funny word, but no one says it in a more endearing way than Cath-y.

Va-jay-jay is soooooo my new favourite word.

I'd like to note that, although you copied-in-reply the argument I made, in the two minutes it took me to see your request and pull it back, I did withdraw my post as soon as I read that you are sensitive on the subject, and did not wish to discuss it, out of respect for your feelings on the matter.

I am with you, in being "homophobic-phobic", as my work with HIV+ people has informed my worldview on the degree of bigotry and disrespect with the gay community must constantly cope, and my admiration of the good people in those communities leads me to have a "Crusader" attitude in trying to expunge the cultural memes that have, since Israelite and Roman times, infused our thinking on the subject, often in ways too subtle for us to notice... this is, again, as true in myself as it is in anyone else.

Evie, I most definitely like you; I have always enjoyed your posts. I think a man who is openly (and unapologetically) sensitive and caring and compassionate is the rarest of gems, especially in the machismo-infused culture of the United States. For hurting your feelings during my Crusader-impulse-moments, I deeply apologize.

However angry I might get, and however vehemently I might debate a point, at no time will I deliberately disrespect or dislike you for having well-founded opinions which, when carefully considered, happen to differ from my own. The irony here is that I don't think we disagree even a tiny bit, except on the question of whether the word "homophobic" can be used in contexts other than outright bigotry, a minor quibble at best! Mainly, I'm sorry I made you think that you were unliked or disliked, when I consider you a valued member of this community, a community that is rapidly becoming extremely important to me.

(October 7, 2015 at 12:27 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(October 7, 2015 at 7:47 am)houseofcantor Wrote: Vajayjay is the kid who lives downstairs. I assume you're talking about vaginas. I don't know why, exactly. I also don't know why "meh" wasn't an option.

Wow!  This is a record for the most number of posts before the construction of the choices received criticism.  No one has even questioned the omission of a "fuck all polls" option.  

But seriously I agree with you that it is a funny word, but no one says it in a more endearing way than Cath-y.

CL says vajay and it truly is endearing.

Thank you for your heartfelt post Rocketsurgon. Almost brought me to tears - what a pussy I am eh?

Yeah well I don't wanna argue over semantics with you if it's gonna upset us like this Rocketsurgon. We have both admitted to being upset and I don't think arguing over the semantics of whether there are other legitimate definitions of 'homophobia' besides the serious one (the bigoted kind) is worth our upset. Why? In this one life we have - happiness is too precious.

(And in my case I've been depressed a lot in the past and I don't wanna drift back into a depression through my own neurosis being triggered by my hypersensitivity. You are not responsible for my moods and this is why I merely only can ask of you to try to be more sensitive, I can never and would never and should never make you).

I would have been less sensitive in the past and I would have been a lot more stubborn in the past. But I have learned to agree to disagree over the years after getting tired of smashing the opinions in my head over a brick wall repeatedly over posts and posts and posts.

I like you too Rocketsurgeon, I got upset by your posts and my opinion of you went down a bit but maybe you were having a bad day and thank fuck I can still get thoroughly decent and awesome posts from you like that last one I just Kudosed before this post.