Hello,

I am new on this forum as you can see. The main reason for me to joining this forum is to ask a question about atheism, to be more correct, I had in plan to open a theme about " Atheist fundamentalism ", but I lost energy to finish my post, so I hope I will finish my post in next few days, and then open a thread.

Anyway, In the meanwhile, I would ask all of you a simple question, "Do you believe that Bible is against homosexuality". It seems like that some Christians believe that’s not the case, but to be honest, for me that is bullsh*t. I think Christianity, same as Islam or Judaism clearly stands against Homosexual behavior. I think there is just too many evidence to ignore the fact that, Biblical God is homophobe.

So, what do you think? If you think that Biblical God is not a homophobe , please explain why do you think so.

I voted yes. Yes the Wholly Babble is full of homophobia.

Yes. The bible was written in a timeframe in history when things were vastly different than today. Sex was for reproduction (gay people can't reproduce). Also, emphasis on basic hygiene was lacking and condoms (or any equivalent) didn't exist, and the risk for infection was a lot higher for gay sex than it is today. In a lifestyle guide like the bible, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that the main character (i.e. "GOD") would hold the views of the common person at the time. One has to keep in mind, this book was written 2000 years ago and the characters were fairly primitive people!

The fact people STILL base their lives in the 21st century off a 2000 year old text is just....

You gotta be shitting me.

Nah - he's in the closet.

Well...that's confusing.


To the question in the thread title: it really depends on the flavor of Christianity in question. Some of them have done remarkable group mental gymnastics to convince themselves that whole pie slice of the Bible either doesn't matter or doesn't say that.



To the question in the original post: yes, the Bible absolutely forbids homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments. I was never a chapter-and-verse kind of Christian, but I believe the most pertinent texts to the discussion are in Leviticus chapter 18 and Romans chapter 1.


At any rate, homophobia (while vile) is probably the least of Jehovah's crimes, if the Bible is any indication of the kinds of actions he's supposed to be responsible for.

(October 8, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nah - he's in the closet.

He did make a MAN for himself instead of a woman!

@Redbeard the Pink

Yeah Genocide is pretty bad.

(October 8, 2015 at 7:00 pm)MentalGiant Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nah - he's in the closet.

He did make a MAN for himself instead of a woman!

Ya see what I mean!

(October 8, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: At any rate, homophobia (while vile) is probably the least of Jehovah's crimes, if the Bible is any indication of the kinds of actions he's supposed to be responsible for.

I'd say all the crimes are equally vile, since at the root, they are the barbarity of a Bronze/Iron Age desert tribe's social views, and include justifications for murdering neighboring tribes (genocide), enslaving and sexually abusing the conquered young women, murdering people who practice other faiths, murdering women who do not like the man they are being forced to marry by the father who owns them, murdering homosexuals, murdering disobedient children, murdering people who "blaspheme" (the opposite of free speech!), and murdering those who are considered to be "seers" or witches, on the basis that they commune with invisible evil spirits.

It's all "murder because they are not like us", and it is the most base of all human motivations.

To people in the 21st century who cannot see that this is not God, but psychopathic dictators wearing priests' robes using God as an excuse to justify and enforce their barbarity, I just do not know what to say.

They often tell me that I don't obey God because I "hate God", whatever that means. But the fact is that I do not obey the barbarity in the Bible because it is barbaric, immoral, and beneath me... I am known for using the term "morally repugnant".

Many versions of modern Christian have learned to recognize that much of the Bible is barbaric, and they use their own sense of moral decency to filter out the barbaric tribalism, and keep the parts of the Bible that encourage them to be better and more giving people. These typically have no issue with homosexuals because they recognize it for what it is-- a "breed more warriors" command by the priests fighting to hold on to "Holy Land" territory and expand their mini-empire, which has no application in today's world.