(October 13, 2015 at 9:22 pm)JBrentonK Wrote:

(October 13, 2015 at 9:19 pm)Losty Wrote: No, I mean I realized I never bumped into any god. Your statement makes no sense while mine is easily read and comprehensible.

It may be your atheism that is blinding you. Afterall, I suggested many times throughout this thread that you must make a choice to believe in God.

And people have told you several times, that one cannot choose to believe something that are not convinced is true.

Can you choose to believe in Shiva, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu of any of the other 1000's of gods you do not believe exist?

(October 13, 2015 at 9:22 pm)JBrentonK Wrote:

(October 13, 2015 at 9:19 pm)Losty Wrote: No, I mean I realized I never bumped into any god. Your statement makes no sense while mine is easily read and comprehensible.

It may be your atheism that is blinding you. Afterall, I suggested many times throughout this thread that you must make a choice to believe in God.

There is no choice. I cannot believe in something that I don't have any evidence for. It doesn't have to be scientifically acceptable evidence, but it has to be evidence that's credible enough for me. If you look at something and don't see any way for it to be true, you cannot choose to believe it anyways. You can say you believe it or pretend you believe it, but it will be a lie.

(October 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm)JBrentonK Wrote:

(October 13, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Losty Wrote: Retroactive question answering. Wow Beccs that's pretty impressive.

That was stupid. She thinks atheism is the disbelief in Gods. She's mute to the silence. An easy way to convert her is to prove to her there is a God. You messed that up.

I KNOW atheism is a non belief in god, however someone my actually try to interpret that for themselves.

If it's easy to convert me with evidence, why have hundreds of Christians, and others, from across the globe failed to do so?

Is it because their evidence is lacking?

(October 13, 2015 at 9:24 pm)JBrentonK Wrote: Im sorry for not getting to your post right away, but the suspense is just killing me. The direct opposite of christianity is defined as jew burning. And that is actually defined by atheism at large. If you research this, I can make a solemn oath to you, you will not be disappointed.

Again...

Just another POE. A little irritating. Not inventive at all. I had hoped for better but don't think that can be expected in this case.

(October 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm)JBrentonK Wrote:

(October 13, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Losty Wrote: Retroactive question answering. Wow Beccs that's pretty impressive.

That was stupid. She thinks atheism is the disbelief in Gods. She's mute to the silence. An easy way to convert her is to prove to her there is a God. You messed that up.

An easy way to convert us all, is to prove there is a god. 

Atheism is not a dogmatic position. 


If you were actually reading all the responses to your posts, you would notice a pretty common theme. And that is, that we are atheists because we are unconvinced by the arguments put forth by theists that a god exists.

If we were convinced, then we wouldn't be atheists. 

I get the impression that you do not understand how basic logic and critical thinking work.

(October 13, 2015 at 9:33 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Just another POE. A little irritating. Not inventive at all. I had hoped for better but don't think that can be expected in this case.

I got to crunch on some delicious word salad. Isn't that good enough for you?

@ the OP

On the contrary belief cannot be chosen at all ever, nor can disbelief. You are either convinced or not. You can't stare at the sun and know it is the sun and choose to believe it isn't. It's simply not possible.

Belief and disbelief aren't voluntary actions. The most control you can have over them is through selective confirmation bias and that's not even a good kind of freedom. That's an irrational kind.

I don't believe in free will or IOW free choices. Not ultimately free choices that are separate from all external factors. I do however believe in choices and I do distinguish between intentional "voluntary" decisions and unintentional involuntary reflexes, etc. I am not a fatalist, our choices and decisions actually matter - there are many things we wouldn't do if we didn't intend and decide to do them. This post wouldn't have written itself if I had not chosen to write it - but I do believe it wasn't a free choice ultimately because it was either predetermined ultimately or it is undetermined and I don't have control over indeterminacy factors for the same reason I don't decide what the roll of the dice lands on.

Now belief/disbelief aren't even "voluntary"/intentional decisions. They aren't even really actions they are mental representations of our own view of the world and what we consider to be true, false and uncertain. Once again, you're either convinced or you're not.

Despite that they are not actions though, actions certainly are generally more revealing of what one truly believes than what one merely claims to believe - but that's a separate matter and let us not confuse the two.

So why atheism? Not convinced, simple as.

(October 13, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm)JBrentonK Wrote: That was stupid. She thinks atheism is the disbelief in Gods. She's mute to the silence. An easy way to convert her is to prove to her there is a God. You messed that up.

I KNOW atheism is a non belief in god, however someone my actually try to interpret that for themselves.

If it's easy to convert me with evidence, why have hundreds of Christians, and others, from across the globe failed to do so?

Is it because their evidence is lacking?

Beccs I hate to put this like this to you but yes. The theist "religion" is actually DIFFERENT than atheism. If you ever actuallly meet a sincere theist one day, you will undoubtedly be convinced.

It is also not the evidence you provide. It's the way you approach the topic you're presenting. You can be a balls to the wall atheist, hard pressed, finger pressing or whatever, but if you are not sincere, you will never see the actual battle theists see as it really does unfold. It's all about the evidence anyhow beccs, trying to intepret God is actually the first thing christians jump to (as compared to you atheists). Therefore, convincing you God is real is as easy as convincing a child.

I fail simply to see how so many have failed to convince you.

Why am I an atheist?

Because reality is my epistemology. I have no faith. I can't bring myself to believe something on the basis of baseless claims, especially when the claims are as ridiculous as those of most religions.