Hmmm? Is more fun than Jenny.

(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 1:02 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: You did use the word "knowledge". Use a word like "intuition", or imagination and I won't have any objections.
And let me reiterate the question, you're so desperately trying to avoid - what good is such a god, who whispers useless stuff into your mind, that you can't share with others, or prove it even happens? What good is a god that makes you appear as a crazy person to people around you, who DON'T hear it?
What good is a voice in your head, that gives you an illusion of knowledge, which stops you from pursuing actual knowledge?

i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. and again you dont know if its knowledge or anything other than for a fact . thats just your opinion and its an uninformed opinion at that so not worth much really.

To claim to have knowledge, you must be able to produce evidence to prove the truth of your claims. Evidence, by definition, can be shown to someone else. If you can't show it, you don't know it; you just believe it, and if you believe it without evidence, then you believe it on faith. Faith is the most intellectually dishonest position it's possible to take.

(October 17, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. and again you dont know if its knowledge or anything other than for a fact . thats just your opinion and its an uninformed opinion at that so not worth much really.

To claim to have knowledge, you must be able to produce evidence to prove the truth of your claims. Evidence, by definition, can be shown to someone else. If you can't show it, you don't know it; you just believe it, and if you believe it without evidence, then you believe it on faith. Faith is the most intellectually dishonest position it's possible to take.

only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .

(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. [...]

Information, which you are unable to provide. All you have is claims and no substance. How are we supposed to "know better", when people, who allegedly do "know better" don't even seem to bother trying to make sense?

Your idea of "evidence" is a randomly chosen list of "spooky" stuff, you haven't even bothered to research, or most likely even read. How much do you think your opinion is worth?

(October 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .

Your feelings of personal conviction are not evidence. Science can explain those. I used to have them myself, and I no longer recognize them as evidence. The voice in your head that you reeeeally want to believe belongs to Gaud...that's not evidence either. I used to have one of those, too, and it turns out it was nothing more than my own thoughts desperately trying to convince me that my personal and unsupported opinions had some objective, ultimate truth to them...just like yours.


If something can't be shown, it is by definition not evidence. Evidence can always be shown. That's practically all it's good for, in fact.


To put it bluntly, your thoughts, opinions, and intuitions are not evidence, and there's a reason science does not regard such things as evidence.

(October 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .

Your feelings of personal conviction are not evidence. Science can explain those. I used to have them myself, and I no longer recognize them as evidence. The voice in your head that you reeeeally want to believe belongs to Gaud...that's not evidence either. I used to have one of those, too, and it turns out it was nothing more than my own thoughts desperately trying to convince me that my personal and unsupported opinions had some objective, ultimate truth to them...just like yours.

Same here.

(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: and what makes you think i dont share it with others ? i both can and  do that often

No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.

(October 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: and what makes you think i dont share it with others ? i both can and  do that often

No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.

you cannot know you might think you know whats going on in my head but you simply dont know for a fact nothing but a very very biased opinion from someone who does not believe that God can exist ....

(October 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.

you cannot know you might think you know whats going on in my head but you simply dont know for a fact nothing but a very very biased opinion from someone who does not believe that God can exist ....