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Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
Hmmm? Is more fun than Jenny.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote:
(October 17, 2015 at 1:02 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: You did use the word "knowledge". Use a word like "intuition", or imagination and I won't have any objections.
And let me reiterate the question, you're so desperately trying to avoid - what good is such a god, who whispers useless stuff into your mind, that you can't share with others, or prove it even happens? What good is a god that makes you appear as a crazy person to people around you, who DON'T hear it?
What good is a voice in your head, that gives you an illusion of knowledge, which stops you from pursuing actual knowledge?

i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. and again you dont know if its knowledge or anything other than for a fact . thats just your opinion and its an uninformed opinion at that so not worth much really.


To claim to have knowledge, you must be able to produce evidence to prove the truth of your claims. Evidence, by definition, can be shown to someone else. If you can't show it, you don't know it; you just believe it, and if you believe it without evidence, then you believe it on faith. Faith is the most intellectually dishonest position it's possible to take.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
(October 17, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. and again you dont know if its knowledge or anything other than for a fact . thats just your opinion and its an uninformed opinion at that so not worth much really.


To claim to have knowledge, you must be able to produce evidence to prove the truth of your claims. Evidence, by definition, can be shown to someone else. If you can't show it, you don't know it; you just believe it, and if you believe it without evidence, then you believe it on faith. Faith is the most intellectually dishonest position it's possible to take.

only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: i only appear crazy to atheists who dont believe in such a thing and dont know any better and i couldnt care less about an uninformed persons opinion i understand they just lack information. [...]

Information, which you are unable to provide. All you have is claims and no substance. How are we supposed to "know better", when people, who allegedly do "know better" don't even seem to bother trying to make sense?

Your idea of "evidence" is a randomly chosen list of "spooky" stuff, you haven't even bothered to research, or most likely even read. How much do you think your opinion is worth?
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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(October 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .


Your feelings of personal conviction are not evidence. Science can explain those. I used to have them myself, and I no longer recognize them as evidence. The voice in your head that you reeeeally want to believe belongs to Gaud...that's not evidence either. I used to have one of those, too, and it turns out it was nothing more than my own thoughts desperately trying to convince me that my personal and unsupported opinions had some objective, ultimate truth to them...just like yours.


If something can't be shown, it is by definition not evidence. Evidence can always be shown. That's practically all it's good for, in fact.


To put it bluntly, your thoughts, opinions, and intuitions are not evidence, and there's a reason science does not regard such things as evidence.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
(October 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(October 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: only God can produce evidence to you that is convincing enough for you to believe and when it does happen those who do not have it will not believe you either . if the evidence is something physical it can be shown if not physical it cant be shown or examined by other people .


Your feelings of personal conviction are not evidence. Science can explain those. I used to have them myself, and I no longer recognize them as evidence. The voice in your head that you reeeeally want to believe belongs to Gaud...that's not evidence either. I used to have one of those, too, and it turns out it was nothing more than my own thoughts desperately trying to convince me that my personal and unsupported opinions had some objective, ultimate truth to them...just like yours.

Same here.
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(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: and what makes you think i dont share it with others ? i both can and  do that often

No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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(October 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(October 17, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: and what makes you think i dont share it with others ? i both can and  do that often

No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.

you cannot know you might think you know whats going on in my head but you simply dont know for a fact nothing but a very very biased opinion from someone who does not believe that God can exist ....
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
(October 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:
(October 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: No, you don't. I'm sure you can and do express your beliefs often.

you cannot know you might think you know whats going on in my head but you simply dont know for a fact nothing but a very very biased opinion from someone who does not believe that God can exist ....

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