As to the OP, I had that page starred since ever. 

As to the other thing, I don't even get it. It's like there's no pet owners around here. 

Of course I think slavery is wrong, along with killing, rape, animal cruelty, and many other things. But I own these things as my value judgement. They aren't inherently wrong, because it's a meaningless phrase. Actions don't have "wrong points" floating around them. I can't measure them objectively like I can the mass of an object. I can only compare them to what I want to happen, and don't want to happen.

Things move from one state to another. Whether that state is better or worse is entirely a matter of opinion and perspective.

We generally agree on things, as a result of evolution. That's convenient, but it's not proof of anything.

(October 21, 2015 at 10:34 am)robvalue Wrote: Of course I think slavery is wrong, along with killing, rape, animal cruelty, and many other things. But I own these things as my value judgement. They aren't inherently wrong, because it's a meaningless phrase. Actions don't have "wrong points" floating around them. I can't measure them objectively like I can the mass of an object. I can only compare them to what I want to happen, and don't want to happen.

Things move from one state to another. Whether that state is better or worse is entirely a matter of opinion and perspective.

We generally agree on things, as a result of evolution. That's convenient, but it's not proof of anything.

thats true what is considered right in one culture is often seen as very wrong in another culture , but people within a certain culture generally agree with eachother about what is right and wrong an unspoken social contract and agreement about right and wrong among members of the society and those who go against that are shunned in some way if not it would be chaos (anarchy not the right word i meant chaos : disorganization) there must be social agreement . that doesnt make it a universal fact and truth its just truth within that society . lol or i could be totally not understanding what noncognition is

Yes, I agree. You have that right.

One culture of course wants to say they are "objectively better" than the other culture, by comparing the two according to what they think makes a culture better.

And vice versa. Which is why it is meaningless.

Unless both cultures agree on what the criteria are, neither are objectively better. And that's not even bringing in individual people's opinions about what makes a good culture.

That's a lot of words to say "magic does not exist."

It's all semantics and pedantics to me, but whatever floats anybody else's boat.

Yeah. Any confident atheist really just has their own way of describing what a load of bullshit it all is.

Since so many people don't even understand what atheism means, that's enough of a label for the time being. But among those in the know, we can get down to details