I think one of the best tools we have is to put religion on the same level as alien abduction, Crystal healing, Angel therapy, tarot cards and other such woo.

Let the believer explain why we should not.

They don't like putting Jesus in the same camp as every other kind of woo.

Totally. As soon as you claim Jesus is anything more than a standard human, he's straight into woo territory, and no different from any other.

(October 26, 2015 at 7:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why am I unsurprised that Delicate dodges again?

You can dodge a question you can dodge a ball.

(October 26, 2015 at 6:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 26, 2015 at 6:39 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: How does the theist "know" anything?

God witness himself as the only true God, and knows there doesn't exist any realm in which another god exists. This knowledge of himself, to a lesser degree, is endowed upon humans. The more "life" we have, the more faith we have in this belief, because it's seen through vision of his light.

Go back to talking about the dark forces, you were funnier then

(October 25, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Delicate Wrote:

(October 25, 2015 at 10:58 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Do you not know how to use google? 

A comparison of the main 7, and a Q&A from Church Relevance.

Do you not know how to post something relevant to the actual discussion? 


Sorry, I shouldn't be mean.

Whoa! Great post! You're the king of posts!

You asked for core doctrinal disagreements between sects, you got it, then you blew it off. Your intellectual dishonesty is hanging out for all to see.

(October 26, 2015 at 1:58 am)Delicate Wrote: So far all I've seen from atheists have been a lot of feeble arm-flailing and anger. No substance. Better posts tomorrow I hope.

Well, no one here can force you to see what's presented. You're free to ignore every schism based on core doctrins if you so choose. To do so and them claim you've been presented with none is dishonest in the extreme, but that seems to be your bag...

Quote:Help me understand here.  Are you saying that because Christians don't 100% agree on even basic tenets of "core beliefs" then it negates its validity?

Certainly not.

It's validity is negated because the story it tells is utterly absurd.  Unless you are willing to believe in "magic."

(October 26, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(October 26, 2015 at 2:35 am)Delicate Wrote: Only on an atheist forum can you embarrass yourself by using reason and evidence well.

Oh, I strongly doubt that.  I quite imagine you embarrass yourself wherever you go.

Delicate dear, I have yet to see you use reason and evidence well. If you did, you would not feel embarrassed, not here anyway.

You come in here putting words into people's mouths and proceeding to build your arguments around what they did not even say.

Well, you did agree with Cato that you are 12 years old. Why not give yourself a few years, a decade perhaps, then after you have learned how to truly apply reason and evidence well, perhaps you will be ready to go toe to toe with adults. You see, as atheists, we take reason and evidence seriously. You use them as toys and tools. This may work with your little friends, but not here, dear.

(October 27, 2015 at 1:29 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Help me understand here.  Are you saying that because Christians don't 100% agree on even basic tenets of "core beliefs" then it negates its validity?

Certainly not.

It's validity is negated because the story it tells is utterly absurd.  Unless you are willing to believe in "magic."

Well, we're talking about people who have no problem with the fact that according to the Bible, god created the grass and the trees before he created the sun and the moon. You see, the greater one's capacity to believe things the absurd, the stronger one's faith is. And without faith it is impossible to please god. The Christian is required to believe the absurd. Phil, if what I'm saying is not true, then why do you continue to support what you know is insupportable?

(October 27, 2015 at 9:27 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Well, we're talking about people who have no problem with the fact that according to the Bible, god created the grass and the trees before he created the sun and the moon.  

Yep. Why should I have a problem with that?