(October 28, 2015 at 11:48 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Okay y'all, I have to drive to St. Louis now (2 hours away) for an MRI scan on my injured neck. I'll be gone until this evening. Have fun with the discussions!

-Rocket

Aw, newbies are so cute. 

(October 28, 2015 at 10:44 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 28, 2015 at 10:01 am)Drich Wrote: That's my point!

Maybe, God is not magic IF we can understand HOW He does what He does. God was only 'magic' to those who did not understand how He accomplished what He accomplished.

Nothing in the bible says God as to be 'magic' we only ever thought of Him that way because we did not understand. Now that we understand more what makes us think God has to remain in the realm of the supernatural when He is the creator of the natural!

Deserves repeating. The only difference between the natural and the supernatural is knowledge of the mechanics.

...And just because we HAD a Magical view of God does not mean we must maintain it!

God is the creator of the natural universe, so why then would he create something that required Him to circumvent it (Supernaturally) every time He wanted to do something?

Think about it, if God is all knowing and all powerful, would he for see the need to have a system in place (The natural universe) that he could use/control in a natural way?

It's like custom building your own car. would you build a car where you could not reach the pedals, unless you used some sort of artifical extention to hit the gas and brake or would you build a car that put all of it's controls well with in reach?

(October 28, 2015 at 11:28 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Well I'd say scapegoating is the reason Paul was beheaded, along with a lot of other Christians. Nero was insane. They're no more to blame for the scapegoating and murders than the Jews targeted by the insanity of Hitler and his followers. But, like those Jews, Paul would hardly have renounced the central belief of his identity, even after that scapegoating began.

While I agree with most of what you've written here, recently, I'd say that the willingness to go ahead and self-identify even in the face of danger indicates only the degree of zeal, but is not proof of concept. As we have pointed out in a recent thread, atheists are frequently (and openly) discriminated against in this country, yet many of us "sign our names" and otherwise identify openly as atheists because we believe we are right about this, damn the consequences. Others prefer to fly under the radar. Yet I'm pretty sure you wouldn't consider the zealous among us to be evidence that our position is correct, would you?

Ah, the flaw in your reasoning! 'Zeal' in that time for the wrong thing meant death. So to have zeal about something forbidden meant you believed in it with your very life. Now whether you believe Paul to be correct or not is not what I am illustrating. I am pointing out that Paul believed with his very life on the line that he was correct. And he uses his 'zeal' to show those who maybe afraid what belief in christ may have ment, that he was not afraid to tie himself to any and all consenquences that would come from belief. Again, even if you wish to discount what was being said at the time romans was written, no one can deny his willingness to put his life on the line durning his beatings or ultimately his execution. what romans shows us was that Paul from the beginning did not shy away from his beliefs or any consenquences that rose from what he believed.

(October 28, 2015 at 11:37 am)dyresand Wrote:

(October 28, 2015 at 10:52 am)Drich Wrote: We ourselves are on the door step of resurrecting/copying/Cloning our own bodies... How is it then (In your mind) completely out of reach of God?

We can clone a human being we have cloned animals there is a moral ethical issue when cloning a human being. The other thing 
is as well the vatican and over all many people would have issue with cloning a human being. We can clone body parts so yeah that's a thing. 
Also god of the bible doesn't exist.

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(October 28, 2015 at 11:37 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 28, 2015 at 11:32 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: My position is called the Tit-For-Tat Rule. In short, it means "be altruistic to others until you see they are not playing by the rules, then treat them as they treat you". You can read about it, here.

Interesting read, particularly:

The most admired standard of behavior, in the West, at least, is the Golden Rule, attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. Everyone knows its formulation in the first-century Gospel of St. Matthew: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Almost no one follows it.

So, Sagan agrees that people don't live up to Biblical standards.

Many western people might attribute the Golden Rule to Jesus these days, but this is mainly due to ignorance. In writing, the Golden Rule dates back at least as far as Hammurabi's Code, which is older than the Bible and certainly much older than the alleged teachings of Zombie Jesus.

Any more questions concerns about chapter 1? can I move on to chapter 2?

(October 28, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Any more questions concerns about chapter 1? can I move on to chapter 2?

Just one, not specifically related to the content.

Is Alpha Male assisting you with this thread in an official capacity, or is he simply a self-appointed hype-man? I've been following this thread and was just wondering.

(October 28, 2015 at 2:42 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(October 28, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Any more questions concerns about chapter 1? can I move on to chapter 2?

Just one, not specifically related to the content.

Is Alpha Male assisting you with this thread in an official capacity, or is he simply a self-appointed hype-man? I've been following this thread and was just wondering.

He is filling the gaps I'm leaving and supports as he sees fit.

I'm not telling him what to say if that is what your asking..

(October 28, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Hmmm? Wrote:

you do understand He was being asked what were the most important laws right? His answer would point back to leviticus as that is the book of the law.