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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 4:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: a pretty amazing feat for an unthinking explosion to create
Compared to what? Have you examined any other universes, that you know to have been created by an "unthinking explosion" and are consequently not quite as amazing? Your opinion on the level of amazement generated in your ape-brain by anything is not evidence.
I could just as easily say that it's not amazing enough, therefore there's no god - and it would be just as "valid" an observation as yours, if not more so.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:15 pm
I would think it is vastly more amazing for a being so sophisticated that it can design the universe, bring it about, and then "know" everything that happens in it, to come about without a length process that would tend to constraint the development of this being in this direction.
Yet this result is flippantly embraced, and not the "amazing" cosmic "explosion" that is not nearly convoluted enough to "design" or to "know"?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: evolution and BB theory both indicate a complex intelligent design based on organization and not chaos ... when it comes to the universe i agree with Einstein 
What makes you think that an undesigned thing would just be pure chaos? We see plenty of things in reality that aren't designed but also aren't formless puddles of goo.
Also, would you fucking stop calling the big bang "an explosion," you're just making yourself look like a blustering fool with no idea what you're talking about.
when i look around me i see complex organization everywhere doesnt appear random at all maybe you see disorder but i just dont
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:18 pm
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Yes, you see the same things that we all see....but why is that relevant? Does this mean that fairies paint the dew on the tulips..and form every snowflake by hand? No. Do you think that you'd be able to determine between a random and non-random set of numbers by looking at them. Is that an ability that you think you possess? We could test this right here on the boards.
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Which was designed, intentional, and which was random?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:22 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: evolution and BB theory both indicate a complex intelligent design based on organization and not chaos ... when it comes to the universe i agree with Einstein
What makes you think that an undesigned thing would just be pure chaos? We see plenty of things in reality that aren't designed but also aren't formless puddles of goo.
Also, would you fucking stop calling the big bang "an explosion," you're just making yourself look like a blustering fool with no idea what you're talking about.
name one thing that hasnt been designed
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: when i look around me i see complex organization everywhere doesnt appear random at all maybe you see disorder but i just dont
When children look around - they see magic everywhere. That's because they have very little information about how the world actually works. If you ever bothered to study some of the many things about which you made uninformed but emotionally pleasing opinions, you'd find out that your perception of "organization" and "randomness" is unsubstantiated and very naive.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:24 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What makes you think that an undesigned thing would just be pure chaos? We see plenty of things in reality that aren't designed but also aren't formless puddles of goo.
Also, would you fucking stop calling the big bang "an explosion," you're just making yourself look like a blustering fool with no idea what you're talking about.
when i look around me i see complex organization everywhere doesnt appear random at all maybe you see disorder but i just dont
So I asked you why you think that complexity necessitates design, and your answer is "complexity has to be designed!" That's what you believe, I asked you why.
Are you just going to continue not listening to anybody and then restating your blatantly misrepresentative opinions over and over? Because I have no interest in continuing with a person who has no interest in any view beyond her own.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:27 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:22 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What makes you think that an undesigned thing would just be pure chaos? We see plenty of things in reality that aren't designed but also aren't formless puddles of goo.
Also, would you fucking stop calling the big bang "an explosion," you're just making yourself look like a blustering fool with no idea what you're talking about.
name one thing that hasnt been designed
Snowflakes, crystals, sand dunes... poop. Do you have any idea how complex the average turd is? It's all chemicals and heat and biological processes... are you saying poop is intelligently designed? Or snowflakes? I mean, we know how they form naturally, so they literally aren't designed... 
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Was malaria designed?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2015 at 5:34 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What makes you think that an undesigned thing would just be pure chaos? We see plenty of things in reality that aren't designed but also aren't formless puddles of goo.
Also, would you fucking stop calling the big bang "an explosion," you're just making yourself look like a blustering fool with no idea what you're talking about.
when i look around me i see complex organization everywhere doesnt appear random at all maybe you see disorder but i just dont
Human beings have overactive 'agency detectors'.
We have evolved to detect agency in nature, where there isn't any. It is one of our survival mechanisms.
Just because you see design, does not mean it's there.
Why would you think a naturally occurring universe would be random? Just how many naturally occurring universes have you examined compared to deity created universes?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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