(October 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:25 pm)Irrational Wrote: Jenny, a previous question from me you haven't responded to yet:

What created God with all his omniscience and omnipotence?

i dont know what created God

Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).

*facepalm*
jenny is right bimbos.
Nobody knows how these particles knew how to "This is how particles interact, period.". They only have hypotheses(which are liable for debate). One of which is called String Landscape. Go read

(October 30, 2015 at 11:12 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: How I wish I could. Alas, I am green.

Your utter ignorance of the things you talk with authority about combined with your utter disrespect for the English language will plague me until you give up. Or learn what the shift key does. Or that little dot next to it.

well if you see me commenting in a thread all you have to do is go to another thread where im not commenting its easy you can do it 

Or, better yet, demonstrate your error for the lurkers to read. Your shameless dishonesty shouldn't go unanswered.

(October 30, 2015 at 11:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:27 pm)Evie Wrote: Don't worry there's more to humanity than her ignorance of scientific matters or any matter of education. She can still be a nice person that's the main thing.

I could never lose faith in someone for their ignorance, I know far too many ignorant people who are still lovely human beings.

I'm pretty ignorant too of most things... mainly because I'm lazy... although I try not to be.

I understand natural selection and the basics... I understand enough to know evolution makes massive sense. I was taught the basics as a  child and Dawkins taught me most of the other parts pretty much

Main thing is she's not forcing her beliefs on others and her theistic beliefs seem pretty harmless.

To be clear---I will never fault someone for being ignorant. There are many topics I am ignorant about.

One thing you'll never catch me doing, however, is proudly remaining willfully ignorant.

For that, a person can earn my deepest disdain.

yes but the more i know about nature the stronger my belief in God will inevitably be i know from experience this is true my faith just increases . i can learn more but it will just result in increased faith in God and therefore increased dwindling for you are you sure you really want that ?

(October 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there is no solid evidence for or against intelligent design or God [...]

There is solid evidence against intelligent design.

Unfortunately for you, it requires intelligence to discern it.

(October 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes but the more i know about nature the stronger my belief in God will inevitably be i know from experience this is true my faith just increases . i can learn more but it will just result in increased faith in God and therefore increased dwindling for you are you sure you really want that ?

I'll be just fine. You are little more than a willfully ignorant bump in the road, my dear. I hope your life of presupposition is as wonderful and grand as the world you've limited yourself to.

We don't care if you become an atheist or not, Jenny!

We. Don't. Care!

Not knowing basic science and history... well, those are issues most of us might catch a hangnail over.

(October 30, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i dont know what created God

Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).

yes of course its an acceptable answer you shouldnt say you have it all figured out noone does unless theyre religious
i dont think God must exist because of any lack of knowledge about something thats not my reason for believing in God because of a lack of answers from science

(October 30, 2015 at 11:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Irrational Wrote: Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).

yes of course its an acceptable answer you shouldnt say you have it all figured out noone does unless theyre religious
i dont think God must exist because of any lack of knowledge about something thats not my reason for believing in God because of a lack of answers from science

Cool. Some things may just be beyond our knowledge and comprehension, now and in the future as well. A bit depressing but a "truth" I have come to grips with for a while.

(October 30, 2015 at 11:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: To be clear---I will never fault someone for being ignorant. There are many topics I am ignorant about.

One thing you'll never catch me doing, however, is proudly remaining willfully ignorant.

For that, a person can earn my deepest disdain.

I would feel that way if I believed in free will.

Sam Harris Wrote:Take a moment to think about the context in which your next decision will occur: You did not pick your parents or the time and place of your birth. You didn't choose your gender or most of your life experiences. You had no control whatsoever over your genome or the development of your brain. And now your brain is making choices on the basis of preferences and beliefs that have been hammered into it over a lifetime - by your genes, your physical development since the moment you were conceived, and the interactions you have had with other people, events, and ideas. Where is the freedom in this? Yes, you are free to do what you want even now. But where did your desires come from?” 

Sam Harris Wrote:Losing a belief in free will has not made me fatalistic—in fact, it has increased my feelings of freedom. My hopes, fears, and neuroses seem less personal and indelible. There is no telling how much I might change in the future. Just as one wouldn’t draw a lasting conclusion about oneself on the basis of a brief experience of indigestion, one needn’t do so on the basis of how one has thought or behaved for vast stretches of time in the past. A creative change of inputs to the system—learning new skills, forming new relationships, adopting new habits of attention—may radically transform one’s life.

Both quotes from Sam Harris' book Free Will