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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:37 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 11:25 pm)Irrational Wrote: Jenny, a previous question from me you haven't responded to yet:
What created God with all his omniscience and omnipotence?
i dont know what created God
Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm
*facepalm*
jenny is right bimbos.
Nobody knows how these particles knew how to "This is how particles interact, period.". They only have hypotheses(which are liable for debate). One of which is called String Landscape. Go read
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:12 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 11:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: How I wish I could. Alas, I am green.
Your utter ignorance of the things you talk with authority about combined with your utter disrespect for the English language will plague me until you give up. Or learn what the shift key does. Or that little dot next to it.
well if you see me commenting in a thread all you have to do is go to another thread where im not commenting its easy you can do it 
Or, better yet, demonstrate your error for the lurkers to read. Your shameless dishonesty shouldn't go unanswered.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 11:27 pm)Evie Wrote: Don't worry there's more to humanity than her ignorance of scientific matters or any matter of education. She can still be a nice person that's the main thing.
I could never lose faith in someone for their ignorance, I know far too many ignorant people who are still lovely human beings.
I'm pretty ignorant too of most things... mainly because I'm lazy... although I try not to be.
I understand natural selection and the basics... I understand enough to know evolution makes massive sense. I was taught the basics as a child and Dawkins taught me most of the other parts pretty much 
Main thing is she's not forcing her beliefs on others and her theistic beliefs seem pretty harmless.
To be clear---I will never fault someone for being ignorant. There are many topics I am ignorant about.
One thing you'll never catch me doing, however, is proudly remaining willfully ignorant.
For that, a person can earn my deepest disdain.
yes but the more i know about nature the stronger my belief in God will inevitably be i know from experience this is true my faith just increases . i can learn more but it will just result in increased faith in God and therefore increased dwindling for you are you sure you really want that ?
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today  Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:44 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there is no solid evidence for or against intelligent design or God [...]
There is solid evidence against intelligent design.
Unfortunately for you, it requires intelligence to discern it.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:46 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes but the more i know about nature the stronger my belief in God will inevitably be i know from experience this is true my faith just increases . i can learn more but it will just result in increased faith in God and therefore increased dwindling for you are you sure you really want that ?
I'll be just fine. You are little more than a willfully ignorant bump in the road, my dear. I hope your life of presupposition is as wonderful and grand as the world you've limited yourself to.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:46 pm
We don't care if you become an atheist or not, Jenny!
We. Don't. Care!
Not knowing basic science and history... well, those are issues most of us might catch a hangnail over.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:48 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Irrational Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i dont know what created God
Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).
yes of course its an acceptable answer you shouldnt say you have it all figured out noone does unless theyre religious
i dont think God must exist because of any lack of knowledge about something thats not my reason for believing in God because of a lack of answers from science
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:51 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 11:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Irrational Wrote: Fair enough answer. So then when we say we don't know what led to the existence of the laws of nature, it should be an acceptable answer as well. It should not mean that, therefore, God must exist. Because God, after all, suffers the same problems: our ignorance of its origins/causes (assuming God exists, of course).
yes of course its an acceptable answer you shouldnt say you have it all figured out noone does unless theyre religious
i dont think God must exist because of any lack of knowledge about something thats not my reason for believing in God because of a lack of answers from science
Cool. Some things may just be beyond our knowledge and comprehension, now and in the future as well. A bit depressing but a "truth" I have come to grips with for a while.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm
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(October 30, 2015 at 11:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: To be clear---I will never fault someone for being ignorant. There are many topics I am ignorant about.
One thing you'll never catch me doing, however, is proudly remaining willfully ignorant.
For that, a person can earn my deepest disdain.
I would feel that way if I believed in free will.
Sam Harris Wrote:Take a moment to think about the context in which your next decision will occur: You did not pick your parents or the time and place of your birth. You didn't choose your gender or most of your life experiences. You had no control whatsoever over your genome or the development of your brain. And now your brain is making choices on the basis of preferences and beliefs that have been hammered into it over a lifetime - by your genes, your physical development since the moment you were conceived, and the interactions you have had with other people, events, and ideas. Where is the freedom in this? Yes, you are free to do what you want even now. But where did your desires come from?” Sam Harris Wrote:Losing a belief in free will has not made me fatalistic—in fact, it has increased my feelings of freedom. My hopes, fears, and neuroses seem less personal and indelible. There is no telling how much I might change in the future. Just as one wouldn’t draw a lasting conclusion about oneself on the basis of a brief experience of indigestion, one needn’t do so on the basis of how one has thought or behaved for vast stretches of time in the past. A creative change of inputs to the system—learning new skills, forming new relationships, adopting new habits of attention—may radically transform one’s life.
Both quotes from Sam Harris' book Free Will
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