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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 16, 2015 at 6:05 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 1:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 1:04 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I see. Well, if that was your point, then you're right. What was the argument about? (I missed a few pages)
basically this
(November 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Is there anything in the law that rewards good behavior? no.
Being a "saint" has nothing to do with "works".....
Ah. I had a feeling it was something like that.
In reference to human law, I would tend to agree with you, but the Bible is pretty clear on the idea that obedience results in the most fabulous reward ever, whereas disobedience results in the most horrendous punishment imaginable. Even if that's not listed in the "law" parts of the Bible, it's definitely an idea that's iterated in various places.
It's also just a touch fallacious to say that works have absolutely nothing to do with being a saint, since the Bible is clear on the assertion that faith, without works, is dead. If real faith is required for salvation, and real faith always produces real works, then a lack of works indicates a lack of faith and therefore indicates a lack of salvation. Saying the two are totally unrelated just doesn't follow according to scripture.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm
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(November 16, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 3:05 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Because it's used in the same connotation as "gook", "commie", "insurgent" and the like. Giving the 'enemy' a label that removes their humanity makes them easier to visualise as targets. You only have to skim this board, or watch a few YT preachers, to see how this plays out in actuality.
That is a distinction without a difference. The "N" word you seem to be dancing around is an excellent example. If you can imagine the world was one single solarty race. what meaning would that word have? like wise if the whole world is sinful/Everyone a sinner, then the only people offended by the "S" word are those who believe they are without sin. It's like being upset at the term Homo sapien. Why would anyone be upset with that term unless they thought themselves to be something more?
Actually, I wasn't dancing around "the "N" word", since it wasn't in my head. Maybe it's a cultural thing. Regardless, my point is if the word "sinner" can equate to "homo sapien", or simply "human", why not use the terms that don't come preloaded with judgemental baggage?
Additionally, depending on the definition of "sin", one of which is something akin to "transgression against God", then I for one am indeed sinless. Merely human.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
(November 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: That is a distinction without a difference. The "N" word you seem to be dancing around is an excellent example. If you can imagine the world was one single solarty race. what meaning would that word have? like wise if the whole world is sinful/Everyone a sinner, then the only people offended by the "S" word are those who believe they are without sin. It's like being upset at the term Homo sapien. Why would anyone be upset with that term unless they thought themselves to be something more?
Actually, I wasn't dancing around "the "N" word", since it wasn't in my head. Maybe it's a cultural thing. Regardless, my point is if the word "sinner" can equate to "homo sapien", or simply "human", why not use the terms that don't come preloaded with judgemental baggage?
Additionally, depending on the definition of "sin", one of which is something akin to "transgression against God", then I for one am indeed sinless. Merely human.
Judgement by your fellow man is just another example of their own sin. As we are not to levy judgement in that way.
The word itself pertains to a resolvable relational state between each person and God. that is why the other common terms do not apply (as they speak to physiological terms that categorize us in relation to all other living beings on the planet.)
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 9:48 am
So remove the god from the equation and you remove the concept of sin. Then you can start to view people as people. An alien notion, I realise, but why not give it a go?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm
(November 17, 2015 at 9:48 am)Stimbo Wrote: So remove the god from the equation and you remove the concept of sin. Then you can start to view people as people. An alien notion, I realise, but why not give it a go?
Is this how you view the guys who shot up Paris Friday night?
Or have you removed their 'people' status already?
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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Look at you, projecting, lol. Toasters didn't shoot those folks up, now did they? People did. Shitty, shitty people, it's a thing.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Yep. Regardless of their actions and divorced from their motivations, they're still people. I have no dogmatic axe to grind; I have no incentive to dehumanise them. Did they commit inhuman acts? Yes. Are they less than human because of them? No, and they must be tried as humans committing inhuman acts. I honestly don't see why this should be a problem.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
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Well, for starters, Stimbo...then you can't say "No True Human™"....which might be a problem, for some folks.......who like to make such claims.
Culpability must be acknowledged, rather than denied, and that could interfere with their hobbies. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm
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How sad. Even I have more of a life than that.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
November 17, 2015 at 1:16 pm
(November 17, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yep. Regardless of their actions and divorced from their motivations, they're still people. I have no dogmatic axe to grind; I have no incentive to dehumanise them. Did they commit inhuman acts? Yes. Are they less than human because of them? No, and they must be tried as humans committing inhuman acts. I honestly don't see why this should be a problem.
So what should be done to those who escaped?
You've identified a problem (People performing inhuman acts on other people) so what should be done with them?
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