(October 29, 2015 at 11:40 pm)miaharun Wrote: That's fine but the way i have heard it is that you have to preach something and then killing is ok or permitted. and the animal is pure or something. However i have heard that the original quran states that who ever is killing the animal must stand on hot coal so that he or she can feel the same pain the animal does. i don't think that practice is there anymore.

Yeah, not familiar with the hot coal business...but it wouldn't really be any more or less silly than the rest of halal, or kosher.   It's more than -just- their dietary considerations....any given action is either halal or not.  The way a person pisses, for example.  For most of us, though, the only experience we'll ever have with halal is as a set of barbaric and unsanitary food production guidelines.

Halal just means everything that is allowed as opposed to haram (everything forbidden). Generally the rule is everything is allowed (halal) unless you have proof or reason otherwise.

Right...and thusly barbaric and unsanitary food production processes are halal, allowed....while bacon is haram, forbidden.  If you want to give yourself a laugh...google "are bacon flavored potato chips halal or haram".  This is the sort of shit that keeps the faithful up at night, wondering...and some..hoping that they can split hairs because bacon is clearly fucking delicious.

This is all very serious business, of course.........and no reason to consider their beliefs a running joke.

(August 27, 2015 at 11:12 am)Divinity Wrote:

(August 27, 2015 at 11:11 am)Napoléon Wrote: I think you're doing it a bit of disservice to be honest. It is as bad, it's just that most of the christian world has moved on so to speak, and women are treated a lot more equally in western countries in particular. The bible itself is full of as many damning verses for women as what the Quran is.

That's why I said "The Church's views" not "the bible'"

The bible's views on women in religion are really fucked up. And the reason why women are freer in western countries is because western countries have moved away from religion as a determinant of legality, morality and equality.

(October 30, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right...and thusly barbaric and unsanitary food production processes are halal, allowed....while bacon is haram, forbidden.  If you want to give yourself a laugh...google "are bacon flavored potato chips halal or haram".  This is the sort of shit that keeps the faithful up at night, wondering...and some..hoping that they can split hairs because bacon is clearly fucking delicious.

This is all very serious business, of course.........and no reason to consider their beliefs a running joke.

Imagine if the whole world was muslim.  Would they exterminate all of the swine?

Imagine if the whole world was Hindu.  You wouldn't be able to eat any beef of any kind.  All of the hamburger places would go out of business.

On topic, and let us not get too optimistic. But I think islam is growing weaker. A few years ago I was in one of our top secret atheist meetings in the middle east and I was told that there is a wave of atheism that is expanding in the middle east. But I did not think too much about it and I shrugged it off as my atheist friends being too optimistic. But over the recent years I started hearing the news from muslim sheikhs(religious people) on TV panicking.

Given the expansion of the internet and information, young people especially are naturally running into questions that sheikhs fail to answer (because they require brains) I have recently seen a speech for an islamic figure on TV warning about the great danger islam faces due to terrorism. He said because of these obscene and violent acts done by terrorist muslims on TV and on the internet which were not used to be shown graphically in previous centuries(it's what he said, leading me to believe that he does not find the acts themselves as bad but the fact that they are being shown as is as the bad thing) 
1-Peaceful muslims are starting to doubt and leave their religion as they do not want to be associated with such acts.
2- People who may have before been prone to being converted to Islam and join it are now extremely unlikely to join, if someone is doubting his faith and is considering a change in religion, they are unlikely to come to islam because of the stigma attached to it
3- Non muslims are starting to despise and alienate muslims because of these acts

This same person wanted Salman Rushdi and the cartoonists dead in 2007. Muslims started toning down their hate speeches because it's not cute anymore, the world will not accomodate anymore. 

Also, you have to consider the accuracy or inaccuracy of the statistics that tell you how many muslims there are in the world. In islam, if you change your faith they kill you. It is in the quraan stated in a really plain and simple sentence that does not require interpretation "he who changes his faith kill him" literally, no argument. So muslims who convert usually keep it a secret. I've met atheist women who still wear the veil because of fear. And muslims like to brag about their number by simply adding up the number of occupants of a given muslim country, they do not do opinion polls, islam does not believe in democracy or opinions after all.

I personally blame the governments of Europe and partly of the US for giving too much space for muslims on the expense of freedom of speech, and even giving them their own courts in some countries like the UK, the UK really went way too far, making it racist to criticize muslims, as if pedophilia, murder and female abuse make a race. The freedoms these countries have(or should I say had) came after centuries of struggle, and they just gave them away.

(November 23, 2015 at 2:54 pm)mr_j936 Wrote: On topic, and let us not get too optimistic. But I think islam is growing weaker. A few years ago I was in one of our top secret atheist meetings in the middle east and I was told that there is a wave of atheism that is expanding in the middle east. But I did not think too much about it and I shrugged it off as my atheist friends being too optimistic. But over the recent years I started hearing the news from muslim sheikhs(religious people) on TV panicking.

Given the expansion of the internet and information, young people especially are naturally running into questions that sheikhs fail to answer (because they require brains) I have recently seen a speech for an islamic figure on TV warning about the great danger islam faces due to terrorism. He said because of these obscene and violent acts done by terrorist muslims on TV and on the internet which were not used to be shown graphically in previous centuries(it's what he said, leading me to believe that he does not find the acts themselves as bad but the fact that they are being shown as is as the bad thing) 
1-Peaceful muslims are starting to doubt and leave their religion as they do not want to be associated with such acts.
2- People who may have before been prone to being converted to Islam and join it are now extremely unlikely to join, if someone is doubting his faith and is considering a change in religion, they are unlikely to come to islam because of the stigma attached to it
3- Non muslims are starting to despise and alienate muslims because of these acts

This same person wanted Salman Rushdi and the cartoonists dead in 2007. Muslims started toning down their hate speeches because it's not cute anymore, the world will not accomodate anymore. 

Also, you have to consider the accuracy or inaccuracy of the statistics that tell you how many muslims there are in the world. In islam, if you change your faith they kill you. It is in the quraan stated in a really plain and simple sentence that does not require interpretation "he who changes his faith kill him" literally, no argument. So muslims who convert usually keep it a secret. I've met atheist women who still wear the veil because of fear. And muslims like to brag about their number by simply adding up the number of occupants of a given muslim country, they do not do opinion polls, islam does not believe in democracy or opinions after all.

I personally blame the governments of Europe and partly of the US for giving too much space for muslims on the expense of freedom of speech, and even giving them their own courts in some countries like the UK, the UK really went way too far, making it racist to criticize muslims, as if pedophilia, murder and female abuse make a race. The freedoms these countries have(or should I say had) came after centuries of struggle, and they just gave them away.

The British politicians were bribed to give preferential treatment to the muslims.  They sold out their country for money.  England went around the world screwing over everyone it encountered and now it's on the short end of the stick at home.  They had a good run while it lasted but it's over now.

If Jesus is real he will save the day unless he has converted to Islam.  As it says in 2 Corinthians 10:5-6 (CEV) = "...We capture people’s thoughts and make them obey Christ. 6 And when you completely obey him, we will punish anyone who refuses to obey."

(November 24, 2015 at 1:55 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The British politicians were bribed to give preferential treatment to the muslims.  They sold out their country for money.

Yer whaaa?

(November 27, 2015 at 5:21 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(November 24, 2015 at 1:55 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The British politicians were bribed to give preferential treatment to the muslims.  They sold out their country for money.

Yer whaaa?

It happens all the time in America.  Why should England be any different?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259895/t...greenfield

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/07/seattl...r-muslims/

All politicians around the world get rich from taking bribes.

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