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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm
(December 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Whatever, he's at least as out of touch with reality as you are, and that's pretty frightful.
I'm only out of reality because I am so deeply in love with you....
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:41 pm
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(December 1, 2015 at 10:39 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: (December 1, 2015 at 9:36 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Sorry if you take offense.
I'm new to this forum, but don't think that makes me new to atheist discussion groups (got tired of the woo-based political factions and poor format for interaction over on Patheos.com). After years of watching such discussions as this one, I really find Catholic Lady's apologetics as tiresome as they are insulting, and I just can't be cool about this particular issue when so many people are being harmed by her ideas. I can't be cool about this because those who suffer under her whims aren't somebody else's future, they are MY future! Maybe you live in a different country than the US, if so you couldn't possibly understand.
Oh, stuff it. All you've done is disparage what CL said without offering one concrete objection. Whether or not people are being harmed by her ideas is irrelevant. From her point of view the same is true in reverse.
(December 1, 2015 at 9:36 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: The sort of person who argues like Catholic Lady is never going to shift her position, and will always keep up her damaging campaign to con hapless, uneducated people out of their rights to medical autonomy and freedom from religious harassment. If you think you aren't wasting your time entertaining her, then you haven't been around the atheist scene long enough.
What a weak, pompous ass you are. You do not speak for atheists generally. If you have a complaint you'd like to make against what CL has said at least have the cajones to address her directly.
Most of us know her well enough to know she is speaking with candor from her values, not all of which we share. But you make few friends here with this kind of indirect character assassination of a person who is a well respected member of our community. Civility will take you further. It certainly has her.
(December 1, 2015 at 9:36 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Because most people don't think the way we do, and are much more willing to be agreeable than to deconstruct her sort of bullshit, I reacted out of grave concern that more young minds are being raped by her now. What would you do if you witnessed a rape? Would you look the other way, or would you try and intervene?
Please do not presume to speak for atheists generally. Not all of us are anti-abortion. In short, bugger off.
Your way of dealing with religious people has failed the test enough times already - they are the mortal enemy of all that is worth living for on this earth, and then our very hope of survival into the future because they believe the world does not and should not have one. If you want to try and play nice with people who think like that, then I will not stand idly by and watch you hand my future over to these theocratic fatalists. Go bugger yourself with that if you so enjoy it, but your time of speaking for sensible atheists who actually understand what's at stake ends now.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2015 at 11:46 pm by robvalue.)
OK, so the person performing the operation gets punished with a fine or losing their license. That's a practical possibility (for someone who wants abortion to be illegal).
Does the woman seeking the abortion get off scot free? If she gets a back street abortion, should there be consequences for her?
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:48 pm
(December 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: OK, so the person performing the operation gets punished with a fine or losing their license. That's a practical possibility.
Does the woman seeking the abortion get off scot free? If she gets a back street abortion, should there be consequences for her?
Probably only the doctor or person who actually does it. I imagine she'd be in a very vulnerable position and having gone through enough already.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:52 pm
Hanky, you're shitting up the thread.
Also, Whatevs is Americano, amigo.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:54 pm
Am I the only one who likes trolls and people who are too obnoxious to be taken seriously? Lol. I find him hysterical.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:56 pm
We are men we have no power over a woman's body and choices period.
No other woman should have the power of choice over another woman period.
A person holding a opinion against abortion should not use her opinion and force legislation against abortion.
A women should have the right to a abortion(s) PERIOD.
The bible does not prohibit abortion if anything the bible supports abortion because a fetus isn't a human.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:57 pm
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OK, thanks.
If killing a zygote/fetus/whatever is as bad as killing a standard human, why is the doctor not being done for murder? And why isn't the woman being done for being complicit in a murder?
Dyr: Totally, the bible clearly supports abortion.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 1, 2015 at 11:59 pm
(December 1, 2015 at 11:57 pm)robvalue Wrote: OK, thanks.
If killing a fetus is as bad as killing a standard human, why is the doctor not being done for murder? And why isn't the woman being done for being complicit in a murder?
Dyr: Totally, the bible clearly supports abortion.
A fetus isn't a human scientifically speaking it is just a developing organism.
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RE: Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic
December 2, 2015 at 12:01 am
I agree. But I believe CL says otherwise, at least from the point of view of killing it.
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