(December 2, 2015 at 10:24 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 10:13 am)tjakey Wrote: It occurs to me that the only thing sillier than Christians debating the minutia of their theology is having non-Christians debating the minutia of Christian theology. What Christians don't get is that their entire religion is based on a false view of the universe. Debating which little bit is somehow less false than some other little bit is like blowing the foam off the top of a beer. It might tickle your nose but the “real” stuff (that the god doesn't exist) lies much further down in the glass.

Pretty much and i am still scratching my  head why bronze age religions are still a thing.

(December 2, 2015 at 10:51 am)vorlon13 Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 10:24 am)dyresand Wrote: Pretty much and i am still scratching my  head why bronze age religions are still a thing.

Because the stone age religions were just silly ??

(December 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: If I was going to pick any friend I could have from the world of fiction, I think I'd prefer just about anyone to Yahweh. At least Skeletor doesn't watch you on the job and order you to kill your relatives.

(December 2, 2015 at 9:49 am)Drich Wrote:

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Quote:“Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them. 18 I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone.

The law is still in effect. All of it. If you could be bothered to even read the summery review of the romans study I posted I point out that in chapter 3 Paul shows us it is the Law that shows us we are in sin and in need of redemption. It is by the law that all unrepentant will be judged. However it is also the law that affords us atonement and salvation. How can he say this? because 1/3 to 1/2 of the law is dedicated to ways of atoning for sin. When Chirst said he came to fulfill the Law he was talking about not only extending the do's and don'ts of the law to include thought, but to provide permanent atonement.

Quote: The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until "It is Finished."

What was Christ's final word on the cross?
"It is Finished." Meaning the time that the law could not change was at an end.

Quote:Luke 23:44-46

Quote:It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

(December 2, 2015 at 10:39 am)dyresand Wrote: Paul is a self appointed apostle it doesn't matter what he wrote.

(December 2, 2015 at 10:39 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote:

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Yes it is, That is EXACTLY WHAT PAUL SAYS!

It is the Old Testament that judges all of you 'good people.'

The Old Testament is also what saves the rest of us through Christ.

Again because the law is more than a list of do's and do not's. 1/3 to 1/2 of the law is about atonement. Atonement is the only way to have sins forgiven. When Christ died and proclaimed "It Is Finished" from the cross He was proclaiming the fact that the Law was now made complete. Again, not that it has gone anywhere, but made complete/Changed. In that no longer was the blood of animals needed to be used to atone for sin. Which means 'righteousness' For The Believer Only, was not obtained through following the law. (now ask why if you don't know)

Even so the law Remains. It remains as a benchmark used to judge the sinful unrepentant world.

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Paul is a self appointed apostle it doesn't matter what he wrote.

(December 2, 2015 at 10:48 am)Faith No More Wrote: I'm curious as to why Paul was needed anyway.  Why did God need some human to come along and clarify things?  

It just seems so silly to believe that your beloved lord and savior came down to this world to spread his message, but after visiting us himself, god needed a little extra help from some human many years later.

(December 2, 2015 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 10:48 am)Faith No More Wrote: I'm curious as to why Paul was needed anyway.  Why did God need some human to come along and clarify things?  

It just seems so silly to believe that your beloved lord and savior came down to this world to spread his message, but after visiting us himself, god needed a little extra help from some human many years later.

Christ's message was to point out that the Jews corrupted the Law so badly it no longer represented what God had intended. Christ trained up many Apostles to 'clarify' things in his time here. If your picture of God does not make an allowance for what Christ actually did, then perhaps you don't have an accurate picture of God in your mind.