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Back on the topic of the thread.

I've decided that from now on, I am going to rape and murder as much as I want to.


The amount that I want to rape and murder is exactly zero.

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(December 18, 2015 at 12:06 am)Simon Moon Wrote: Back on the topic of the thread.

I've decided that from now on, I am going to rape and murder as much as I want to.


The amount that I want to rape and murder is exactly zero.

Ok Penn, I'm with you Penn, the amount i want to rape is zero too.

(December 17, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I am constantly worried that the only thing preventing Christians from carrying out bestial acts of horror is their delusional belief in an impossible creature.

Why would Christians be any different than other people, though? It's not like being Christian magically turns someone's brain into that of a psychopath's. We still feel empathy towards people. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with being either Christian or Atheist.

The thing is we quite often get the "if you don't believe in god why don't yu go on a massive killing spree?" the implication is that the only thing holding these people back is their belief. Don't you find that scary? I do.

(December 18, 2015 at 9:53 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why would Christians be any different than other people, though? It's not like being Christian magically turns someone's brain into that of a psychopath's. We still feel empathy towards people. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with being either Christian or Atheist.

The thing is we quite often get the "if you don't believe in god why don't yu go on a massive killing spree?" the implication is that the only thing holding these people back is their belief. Don't you find that scary? I do.

I find that scary too, but you look at human history religion worldwide never completely stops religious beefs or acts of cruelty to outsiders. Humans would do better to challenge themselves to think about what is really going on. Our species and evolution produce both empathy and cruelty and there really is no magic reason those things happen. It isn't advocating acts of cruelty, just a fact that there is no magic reason humans do what they do.

(December 18, 2015 at 10:05 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 18, 2015 at 9:53 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The thing is we quite often get the "if you don't believe in god why don't yu go on a massive killing spree?" the implication is that the only thing holding these people back is their belief. Don't you find that scary? I do.

I find that scary too, but you look at human history religion worldwide never completely stops religious beefs or acts of cruelty to outsiders. Humans would do better to challenge themselves to think about what is really going on. Our species and evolution produce both empathy and cruelty and there really is no magic reason those things happen. It isn't advocating acts of cruelty, just a fact that there is no magic reason humans do what they do.

Indeed a suitably intelligent and evil theist can certainly use the texts to excuse their actions whatever they are. The texts are so written that if you want peace and love, that's in there, if you want killing and hate that is also there.

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FatAndFaithless Wrote:To quote Cato, go fuck yourself.

Any time anyone says "fellow atheists" I'm instantly suspicious, and your shit just reeks of troll.

I am an atheist. I've realized there's no actual evidence to back up theistic beliefs. Theistic beliefs are baseless, and I've come to realize that. Thanks for answering my question.

Raping and murdering doesn't require lack of theism. Most of the people that do it are theists. It requires viciousness, a level of morality lower than a beast's, lack of empathy and a disregard of consequences to oneself and others.

That's a disgusting thought and frankly you should be ashamed for having it. Your mates seem like sociopaths. I get that this was meant more like a theoretical discussion about morality, but even so, unless something is very wrong with you, you should be naturally repulsed at the thought of raping and killing someone. If you don't see it that way, you should either consult a psychiatrist or try and understand at an intellectual level why we couldn't live in a world where everybody thought it was okay to do that.

(December 18, 2015 at 10:46 am)excitedpenguin Wrote: That's a disgusting thought and frankly you should be ashamed for having it. Your mates seem like sociopaths. I get that this was meant more like a theoretical discussion about morality, but even so, unless something is very wrong with you, you should be naturally repulsed at the thought of raping and killing someone. If you don't see it that way, you should either consult a psychiatrist or try and understand at an intellectual level why we couldn't live in a world where everybody thought it was okay to do that.

Naturally repulsed?  I think that's a key component to 'morality.' We are taught to the point of brainwashing from the time we are born and throughout our lives that things are good and evil, and it's effective as hell.   That makes it easier for half-baked reasoning like "what if everybody thought it was okay" as a reason for an individual not to do something.  

But to the OP, you don't rape and murder, because you don't want to go to jail.  The secondary reason I'd say, is that the benefits of raping and murdering are so minor compared to the cost to the other person in most cases, that it seems unnecessary.  The personal sacrifice for most that goes into not raping and murdering is super duper tiny, to the point of insignificant.

For those to which that doesn't apply, they're going to have at it.  And we just have to settle for sticking them in jail for long periods of time.