Hello, 

Greetings to you brothers and sisters in humanity,

I would like to refute Richard Dawkins argument " If God created man, then who created God? "

The answer to this question is very simple, and I would like to discuss it in detail:

1. The Creator is called The Creator, so how can the Creator have a creator if he is The Creator?

2. The question can be turned around, which will allow me to ask: " If the universe created man, then who created the universe? "

3. Only do things in our galaxy and universe and space-time, require a creator. God is obviously out of space and time, and the galaxy and universe, in another dimension, in which we do not understand.

4. This is like saying that an explanation requires an explanation, which would lose you in an infinite regress, which is clearly contradictory to the bases and fundamentals of science.

5. Antony Flew in his book states:

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

Drop the proud part.


So everything has a cause EXCEPT the particular bullshit you want to believe.

Go blow allah out your ass.   And take the pedo-prophet with you.

Err... OK.

Well, the Creator's Creator is called the Creator's Creator, so he must have Created the Creator. So the Creator was created.

It's reasonable to assume something was always here, as per your last quote. Dismissing the universe as one of the possibilities is totally unfounded, but you appear to be doing just that via semantics.

Also, why should I care if there is a "god" or not?

As a muslim, I am not allowed to use profanity because Islam teaches me to respect people, regardless of their beliefs and views. Please, I would like it if you respect me as a human, and not use profanity. You are not a Muslim, and you do not have a degree on Islam, you speak on a few researches you have done through the internet. I advise you to talk to Muslim Scholars who have a masters in Islam. I advise you to watch Reza Aslan, Ahmed Deedat, Maajid Nawaz and etc.

If the Creator doesn't need a creator, then where does the creator reside, and who created the space/dimension in which they reside? If they created the space in which they reside, then where did they reside before they resided in that space, and who created that space? If they don't need to reside in any space, then why did they create something for which they would have no use for?

Well you should care about the subject if there is a creator, not because it can fulfill your spiritual needs, but because it can make you think on the systems God has created for us to understand the universe (Evolution, Big Bang, etc).

It makes you think of questions that are really hard to answer, which can increase your knowledge.

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(December 23, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Cecelia Wrote: If the Creator doesn't need a creator, then where does the creator reside, and who created the space/dimension in which they reside?  If they created the space in which they reside, then where did they reside before they resided in that space, and who created that space?  If they don't need to reside in any space, then why did they create something for which they would have no use for?

You cannot say " space/dimension in which they reside ", because science is not advanced enough to make an assumption like that. Also Space has a lot of theories regarding it, and we don't know the type of space God is in (if it is space). It is too complex for science to understand at this point.

I already think about the systems and difficult questions. The assumption that they were created is irrelevant to their study.

The final barrier is solipsism, and I fear I will die before I solve it.

How exactly do you know things that are too advanced for science? Where are you getting your information?

(December 23, 2015 at 2:04 pm)robvalue Wrote: I already think about the systems and difficult questions. The assumption that they were created is irrelevant to their study.

How exactly do you know things that are too advanced for science? Where are you getting your information?

There are questions that you haven't thought of, and they are much harder for scientists to answer. 

"How exactly do you know things that are too advanced for science?" Is that a serious question? If we cannot observe God, and he is outside space-time, then it is of course a topic which is too advanced for science.

(December 23, 2015 at 2:01 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote: You cannot say " space/dimension in which they reside ", because science is not advanced enough to make an assumption like that. Also Space has a lot of theories regarding it, and we don't know the type of space God is in (if it is space). It is too complex for science to understand at this point.

Well obviously Odin did it.  I mean if your answers to all of lifes questions can be "God did it" then mine can equally be "Odin did it"

Yes, it's a serious question.

So you're just saying god must exist, and because we can't find any evidence of him, he must be outside the scope of science. How's that different from him not existing? What method are you using to tell the difference that gives you an advantage over science?

Start again without the assumption that god exists.

There are questions I haven't thought of? Of course there are! How does believing in god make any difference?