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Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
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Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
John wrote, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; ). That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ" (John 1.1-3).

John, placing himself at the cross when Jesus died, said, "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost" (John 19.25-28,30). What was finished? The atoning sacrifice.

Peter wrote, "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty" (2 Pet. 1.16).

Paul wrote, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time" (1 Cor. 15.1-8).

Paul also wrote, "Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother (Gal. 1.17-19).

After more than a decade setting up the churches, Paul wrote, "Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified" (Gal. 2.1,9,11,12-14,16).
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
When walking home tonight I saw a two headed horse talking to a pink cat. I then witnessed them both fly into the sky, watching as they left a rainbow of all colours for my eyes to see.


BOLD WORDS MAKE MY BULLSHIT TRUE!!!
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
I can't help but notice the complete lack of evidence that any of the highlighted people actually exist.
You may as well be providing evidence for hobbits because Gandalf said he saw them.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 2:24 am)Skipper Wrote: a two headed horse talking to a pink cat.
Biologically that's possible but not flying so you hallucinated. Also there is no religio-historical context so who cares.

Whereas the Bible relies on 40 authors over 1500 years and 66 books with 12 different group settings testifying to seeing Jesus alive from the dead.

If you can't find a naturalistic explanation for the origin of the disciples' beliefs then you are prove that you are going to Hell.

How sad for you.





(January 23, 2011 at 2:55 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: I can't help but notice the complete lack of evidence that any of the highlighted people actually exist.
You can take any 10 figures from antiquity and Jesus has more sources about Him within 150 years of their deaths.

You lose.


Over 99% of scholars who do their primary work on the resurrection claim of Jesus in the past half century agree and concede the disciples truly believed they had seen Jesus alive from the dead.

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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 2:57 am)noselfwilling Wrote:
(January 23, 2011 at 2:55 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: I can't help but notice the complete lack of evidence that any of the highlighted people actually exist.
You can take any 10 figures from antiquity and Jesus has more sources about Him within 150 years of their deaths.

You lose.

There's more literature about Batman in the last century among more authors than the Bible Jesus Christ in all of history, all with individuals within those stories that certainly testify to Batman's existance.
That still doesn't mean that Batman is real.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 2:57 am)noselfwilling Wrote:
(January 23, 2011 at 2:24 am)Skipper Wrote: a two headed horse talking to a pink cat.
Biologically that's possible but not flying so you hallucinated. Also there is no religio-historical context so who cares.


Is coming back from the dead biologically possible? and didn't Jesus fly (ascend whatever) up to heaven? Why can your super heroes be exempt from psychical laws and not mine? This isn't fair. Angry

Quote:Whereas the Bible relies on 40 authors over 1500 years and 66 books with 12 different group settings testifying to seeing Jesus alive from the dead.


Islam has books and authors and it's old and stuff too...Islam has many millions of followers who could quote their book and make bits of it bold too...is that proof for Islam being correct?
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 3:01 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: That still doesn't mean that Batman is real.
With so much evidence for batman being a comic figure, it proves he is a comic figure.

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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 3:11 am)noselfwilling Wrote: With so much evidence for batman being a comic figure, it proves he is a comic figure.

Indeed. With so much evidence for Jesus being a literary figure, he must be one as well.
Like the various star trek crews from all those pocketbook novels.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
(January 23, 2011 at 3:08 am)Skipper Wrote: Is coming back from the dead biologically possible? and didn't Jesus fly (ascend whatever) up to heaven? Why can your super heroes be exempt from psychical laws and not mine? Islam has books and authors and it's old and stuff too...Islam has many millions of followers who could quote their book and make bits of it bold too...is that proof for Islam being correct?
Compare your the flying horse that only you follow to Jesus resurrected and ascended and 1 in 3 people on the planet testify to based on the eyewitnesses in various group settings. Yours seems self oriented since it is all about you and your hallucination that only you have. Your horse could not pay for the sins of the world nor resurrect, and can't even speak Aramaic like Jesus did so Jesus trumps your idol which is inaccessible anyway.

A loving God would be personal and accessible and reveal himself in groups, so nobody could have the excuse that He didn't reveal himself in groups. Since God exists, He is not going to atone for our sins by a creature that doesn't have God-consciousness or self-consciousness and can't relate to us as we are. Where did your horse even say it was God? And God is not going to depend on one person in the 21st century who claimed he saw a horse fly as the greatest revelation to mankind. What love is that?

Since yours doesn't claim to be God it must be part of nature (making stuff up or hallucinated); but God is outside of nature so His resurrection and ascension and appearances would be supernatural.

You know the Koran is wrong because six centuries later it has no evidence to counter all the evidence in the first century for the death of Jesus on the cross.

Easy.
(January 23, 2011 at 3:21 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: Indeed. With so much evidence for Jesus being a literary figure, he must be one as well. Like the various star trek crews from all those pocketbook novels.
I am not aware of anywhere Jesus is a literary figure; even so, historians concern themselves with just the primary sources, so that would be the sources within 150 years of His death.

Remember, Jesus has more sources for him than any ten figures in antiquity combined so you can't use the excuse there is not enough data.


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