Quote:On a serious note, what purpose would this trial serve? An honest question really, I'm stumped.

The cynical side of me thinks that the employees of the government office charged with investigating these crimes need to keep doing things to justify their annual budgets.  Bureaucracies are the same everywhere.

(January 30, 2016 at 7:44 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 30, 2016 at 4:10 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: In the Bible the God character got really pissed if his minions showed the slightest mercy 
when he told them to kill everyone and everything.  You can bet if the God character had told Americans to engage in a genocide they would have killed everyone without a second thought or the slightest hesitation.  One of our favorite activities during WWII was burning people alive.  The Nazis were wimps, which is why they lost the war.

They lost the war because they picked a fight with everyone at once. They had rather weak allies in their own little group and decided to take on not only the Russians and Americans but also the British who could mobilise the resources of their empire and still had the most powerful navy in the world. After lightening war only got them so far they were stuck in a war of attrition that they couldn't possibly win.

The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

(January 31, 2016 at 3:08 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 30, 2016 at 7:44 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: They lost the war because they picked a fight with everyone at once. They had rather weak allies in their own little group and decided to take on not only the Russians and Americans but also the British who could mobilise the resources of their empire and still had the most powerful navy in the world. After lightening war only got them so far they were stuck in a war of attrition that they couldn't possibly win.

The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

If the UK had capitulated like France and Holland etc the prospect would have been different. The US probably wouldn't have gotten involved, they certainly wouldn't have had the handy launch pad just off France, and the Nazis would have been able to focus on Russia. What I'm saying is there was a chance they could have won but not in the reckless way they went about stuff. There was a plot to kill Hitler which was halted because they decided that if he was killed Germany might have gained a competent leader and start to win again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Foxley

(January 31, 2016 at 12:09 am)Starvald Demelain Wrote:

(January 30, 2016 at 8:12 am)Alex K Wrote: So we should halt the justice system until all the big problems are solved? Sounds like a great plan if you don't think about it.

Read the rest of the post instead of bristling and you might find that it was a joke. 

Ok, I forgive you

(January 31, 2016 at 6:22 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 31, 2016 at 3:08 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

If the UK had capitulated like France and Holland etc the prospect would have been different. The US probably wouldn't have gotten involved, they certainly wouldn't have had the handy launch pad just off France, and the Nazis would have been able to focus on Russia. What I'm saying is there was a chance they could have won but not in the reckless way they went about stuff. There was a plot to kill Hitler which was halted because they decided that if he was killed Germany might have gained a competent leader and start to win again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Foxley

UK capitulation is big if. And it still leave Nazi policy in USSR and possibility of Hitler going to war with USA in answer to Japan attack on States. To have chance at winning Nazis must have had been as pragmatic and efficient as stereotype portrays them and it would mean that they would not be Nazis, which means that there could be no war at all.

Fnord

(January 29, 2016 at 4:35 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 28, 2016 at 9:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Perhaps you can whip these laggards into shape!  Good lord, where would these murderous bigots be without you?

Why are so many people afraid to examine propaganda claims?  Religious folks swear by the imaginary deities and ethnocentric religious fairy tales.  People go bat shit crazy when someone questions the "holocaust".  Hell, we have more WWII "holocaust" museums in the US than shopping malls. Talk about brainwashing.  Herzl's plan worked perfectly.  

Some people really get pissed when others cast doubts on their favorite fairy tales.

Well of course it's possible that tales of a Nazi death camp scenario would be exaggerated, distorted, or even completely falsified. Given the consistency of eyewitnesses, victims, and officer confessions, plus extensive video footage and documentation by none other than the SS, that idea is in this case highly doubtful. Given the lack of credible denials from even one reliable source since 1945, it couldn't be more likely that you are talking absolute hiney-drool. Ultimately it is time and the record regarding reasonably-credentialed whistleblowers which separate historical fact from conspiracy to revise history. Also, the more who are involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that it will survive more than a year or two without the lid being blown off it. Now I've little doubt that record-keeping in WWII Europe wasn't so bad that 6 million Jews could not be accounted for between government, testimony of sympathizing friends and families living abroad - do the math! What did or did not happen in Nazi-held Europe most certainly did not take place in the world of oral tradition, which made it so easy for the proliferation of myths which people still cling to for lack of better records that say nay.

(January 31, 2016 at 3:08 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 30, 2016 at 7:44 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: They lost the war because they picked a fight with everyone at once. They had rather weak allies in their own little group and decided to take on not only the Russians and Americans but also the British who could mobilise the resources of their empire and still had the most powerful navy in the world. After lightening war only got them so far they were stuck in a war of attrition that they couldn't possibly win.

The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

Oh, get serous! The Nazis didn't take half of Europe by being stupid people, and they could have ultimately succeeded if their dictator-in-chief wasn't a delusional idiot.

(January 31, 2016 at 6:22 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The US probably wouldn't have gotten involved, they certainly wouldn't have had the handy launch pad just off France, and the Nazis would have been able to focus on Russia.

Except that the US got attacked by the Japanese and excpept that it was Hitler declaring war on the USA on dec 11. Not the other way round. Maybe a formality, but the only war Hitler formally declared ever.

The prospect of the Germans overrunning Russia is ludicrous. Even in 1941, when they didn't face any Western resistance to speak of, they failed at the gates of Moscow. After having already suffered horrendous losses on their way there. They weren't in any way prepared for the Russian winter and a closer look at their equipment shows that it largely consisted of looted french, Czech and british trucks. They had nothing against the Russian T34, which is obvious when looking at the German standard tanks II, III and IV. Only the Panzer IV stood half a chance against the T34 and other Russian heavy tanks. But only one variant, the one with the long 7,5 cm gun. Very rare at the time.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 31, 2016 at 6:22 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The US probably wouldn't have gotten involved, they certainly wouldn't have had the handy launch pad just off France, and the Nazis would have been able to focus on Russia.

Except that the US got attacked by the Japanese and excpept that it was Hitler declaring war on the USA on dec 11. Not the other way round. Maybe a formality, but the only war Hitler formally declared ever.

The prospect of the Germans overrunning Russia is ludicrous. Even in 1941, when they didn't face any Western resistance to speak of, they failed at the gates of Moscow. After having already suffered horrendous losses on their way there. They weren't in any way prepared for the Russian winter and a closer look at their equipment shows that it largely consisted of looted french, Czech and british trucks. They had nothing against the Russian T34, which is obvious when looking at the German standard tanks II, III and IV. Only the Panzer IV stood half a chance against the T34 and other Russian heavy tanks. But only one variant, the one with the long 7,5 cm gun. Very rare at the time.

Indeed Hitler was a stupid twat. Its why the Brits didn't shoot him.