Really, Germany?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

Oh, get serous! The Nazis didn't take half of Europe by being stupid people, and they could have ultimately succeeded if their dictator-in-chief wasn't a delusional idiot.

The Nazis were so stupid that they attacked England without having any means to invade it.  And it was just a row boat ride from the mainland.  Then the dummies attacked Russia without any long-range bombers or fighter planes so they were never able to destroy the Russian war factories.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Why are so many people afraid to examine propaganda claims?  Religious folks swear by the imaginary deities and ethnocentric religious fairy tales.  People go bat shit crazy when someone questions the "holocaust".  Hell, we have more WWII "holocaust" museums in the US than shopping malls. Talk about brainwashing.  Herzl's plan worked perfectly.  

Some people really get pissed when others cast doubts on their favorite fairy tales.

Well of course it's possible that tales of a Nazi death camp scenario would be exaggerated, distorted, or even completely falsified. Given the consistency of eyewitnesses, victims, and officer confessions, plus extensive video footage and documentation by none other than the SS, that idea is in this case highly doubtful. Given the lack of credible denials from even one reliable source since 1945, it couldn't be more likely that you are talking absolute hiney-drool. Ultimately it is time and the record regarding reasonably-credentialed whistleblowers which separate historical fact from conspiracy to revise history. Also, the more who are involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that it will survive more than a year or two without the lid being blown off it. Now I've little doubt that record-keeping in WWII Europe wasn't so bad that 6 million Jews could not be accounted for between government, testimony of sympathizing friends and families living abroad - do the math! What did or did not happen in Nazi-held Europe most certainly did not take place in the world of oral tradition, which made it so easy for the proliferation of myths which people still cling to for lack of better records that say nay.

Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Well of course it's possible that tales of a Nazi death camp scenario would be exaggerated, distorted, or even completely falsified. Given the consistency of eyewitnesses, victims, and officer confessions, plus extensive video footage and documentation by none other than the SS, that idea is in this case highly doubtful. Given the lack of credible denials from even one reliable source since 1945, it couldn't be more likely that you are talking absolute hiney-drool. Ultimately it is time and the record regarding reasonably-credentialed whistleblowers which separate historical fact from conspiracy to revise history. Also, the more who are involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that it will survive more than a year or two without the lid being blown off it. Now I've little doubt that record-keeping in WWII Europe wasn't so bad that 6 million Jews could not be accounted for between government, testimony of sympathizing friends and families living abroad - do the math! What did or did not happen in Nazi-held Europe most certainly did not take place in the world of oral tradition, which made it so easy for the proliferation of myths which people still cling to for lack of better records that say nay.

Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

Well, you know who's always had the final say on history. To the victors go the rights to tell exaggerated genocide/war crimes stories!

Anyway, what if it was only 3 million Jews who were murdered just for being Jewish? Would the injustice be any different?

1 million Jews?

500,000?

10-100 who hadn't committed any crimes?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

Well, you know who's always had the final say on history. To the victors go the rights to tell exaggerated genocide/war crimes stories!

Anyway, what if it was only 3 million Jews who were murdered just for being Jewish? Would the injustice be any different?

1 million Jews?

500,000?

10-100 who hadn't committed any crimes?

Based upon the historical record they were domestic enemies of the German nation who were trying to overthrow the government and wreck the economy.  And when the Nazis tried to deport them some refused to leave.  

Trump said that concentration camps are a good idea so he may follow the Nazi model if he gets the chance.  Just remember that the crappiest job of all is that of a concentration camp guard.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

Well, you know who's always had the final say on history. To the victors go the rights to tell exaggerated genocide/war crimes stories!

Anyway, what if it was only 3 million Jews who were murdered just for being Jewish? Would the injustice be any different?

1 million Jews?

500,000?

10-100 who hadn't committed any crimes?

To be fair 6 millions is number that is just floating around. One of most respected scholars of Holocaust, late Raul Hilberg calculated number of victims at 5.1 million.* Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett estimate Jewish losses as being 5.59-5.86 million.**

And no injustice would not be any different only the outcry could be lesser. More to the point lesser number would mean more of would be victims surviving, or having the chance to survive. Sadly numbers weren't lower.

*Raul Hilberg The Destruction of the European Jews volume III, annex B Statistics of Jewish victims.
** Yad Vashem Institue site.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some number of victims are likely the result of allied bombings.  I don't begrudge us whatever number that is, but it deserves mention.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Some number of victims are likely the result of allied bombings.  I don't begrudge us whatever number that is, but it deserves mention.

Unlike pre-WWII when no one knew how many Jews were really in Europe we know how many are in Israel today so if the crap ever hits the fan we will all be able to agree on how many bit the dust.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...ewpop.html