(February 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Most members of any military are abhorrent monsters. Chris Kyle can get fucked, and American Sniper was by far the most boring American propaganda film ever. Just felt the need to put that out there.

Piss off.

(February 3, 2016 at 10:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(February 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Most members of any military are abhorrent monsters. Chris Kyle can get fucked, and American Sniper was by far the most boring American propaganda film ever. Just felt the need to put that out there.

Piss off.

I would like to add a hearty get bent!

How do we know that the military didn't turn him into part of that 2%? A military that needed that mind set to be used as the offensive tool that he became.

(February 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Most members of any military are abhorrent monsters.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but what you've a said here is inconsistent with my 6 years of military experience.

(February 3, 2016 at 11:13 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(February 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Most members of any military are abhorrent monsters.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but what you've a said here is inconsistent with my 6 years of military experience.

Agreed. I've met some of the best people here.

(February 3, 2016 at 11:12 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: How do we know that the military didn't turn him into part of that 2%? A military that needed that mind set to be used as the offensive tool that he became.

Psychopaths are both born and made. Possibly the military finished corrupting an already bent human being, but that is really beside the point, isn't it? The point is, if we are going to honor our war hero's and have politicians designate special days after specific people, it would be better to chose a more honorable veteran, not just the one who racked up the most kills (and enjoyed doing it).

Quality over quantity. Moral fiber over boastful bravado. By his own accounting this man is a liar and a racist at best, and possibly much worse. Why glorify this douche when there are surely real war heroes they could make a movie about or name a day after?

(February 3, 2016 at 11:12 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: How do we know that the military didn't turn him into part of that 2%? A military that needed that mind set to be used as the offensive tool that he became.

It's entirely possible. At the sharp end of the spear, the military doesn't want paper-pushers, and they will do what they can to strip enough people of the murder taboo in order to accomplish the mission. And of course, there are those whose taboo is weaker than others; there are those who are more skilled at rationalizing its violation; there are those who embody Arendt's "banality of evil" by killing with all the aplomb of peeling a potato; and there are those who become part of the 2% because of the trauma that the battlefield inflicts.

No doubt I'm missing some other elements and causes involved.

(February 3, 2016 at 5:26 pm)abaris Wrote: Might have been one of the 2 percent Dave Grossman spoke of in his book "On killing". The number of soldiers, who actually enjoy taking lives. It's reading material for the US army and Grossman was or still is an army shrink. So it's not some liberal book.

I'm not sure, if that's the kind of guy who should be celebrated. Going by his own quotes alone, he was a bloodthirsty prick. The world isn't any poorer without him.

If people didn't kill people in war who would ever win?  It's always best to kill as many of the enemy as quickly as possible.  Of course they are only the enemy because your leaders said that they are.  So have fun killing them because that's the most you will ever get.  When the war is over your leaders will piss in your face and never give you a dime for doing their dirty work.  It's been that way for all of history.

(February 4, 2016 at 4:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 3, 2016 at 5:26 pm)abaris Wrote: Might have been one of the 2 percent Dave Grossman spoke of in his book "On killing". The number of soldiers, who actually enjoy taking lives. It's reading material for the US army and Grossman was or still is an army shrink. So it's not some liberal book.

I'm not sure, if that's the kind of guy who should be celebrated. Going by his own quotes alone, he was a bloodthirsty prick. The world isn't any poorer without him.

If people didn't kill people in war who would ever win?  It's always best to kill as many of the enemy as quickly as possible.  Of course they are only the enemy because your leaders said that they are.  So have fun killing them because that's the most you will ever get.  When the war is over your leaders will piss in your face and never give you a dime for doing their dirty work.  It's been that way for all of history.

... said the guy who blames teh Jooz for everything ...

(February 4, 2016 at 4:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 3, 2016 at 5:26 pm)abaris Wrote: Might have been one of the 2 percent Dave Grossman spoke of in his book "On killing". The number of soldiers, who actually enjoy taking lives. It's reading material for the US army and Grossman was or still is an army shrink. So it's not some liberal book.

I'm not sure, if that's the kind of guy who should be celebrated. Going by his own quotes alone, he was a bloodthirsty prick. The world isn't any poorer without him.

If people didn't kill people in war who would ever win?  It's always best to kill as many of the enemy as quickly as possible.  Of course they are only the enemy because your leaders said that they are.  So have fun killing them because that's the most you will ever get.  When the war is over your leaders will piss in your face and never give you a dime for doing their dirty work.  It's been that way for all of history.

Agreed:  Best noted perhaps by

Quote:"For it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and throw him out---the lout!
But he's the hero of our country when the guns begin to shoot."

Rudyard Kipling