(February 22, 2016 at 5:04 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 4:55 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Here's God setting a trap for Uzza.

1 Chronicles 13
9: When they came to the threshing floor of Kidon, Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the ark, because the oxen stumbled
10:  The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God

What a fucking scumbag. Kills a bloke for trying to stop the Ark falling on the floor.

What should Uzza have done here? Let the ark fall to the floor and smash, so that God could kill him for allowing it to fall to the floor?

God seems sometimes like one of those medieval Kings who would viciously maltreat their servants, and all their courtiers were obliged to laugh along at the abuse as if it was some sort of joke.

God would have been OK with him letting it fall. He told them not to touch the ark. You're right God was definitely an authoritarian toward the Jewish people. They still ignored him for vast periods of time during the old testament.

"Authoritarian?"

someone here more accurately called him a draconian psychopath.

Kill a man so you can sleep with his wife and god will forgive you. Touch his ark and you die. Such peculiar priorities has your god.

(February 22, 2016 at 6:31 pm)abaris Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Lek Wrote: How does Jesus being God effect the sacrifice?

Since it comes with the job description of god that he can't die. Three personas, one of them died - for three days. That's a magic trick rather than a sacrifice. But we've already been there, months ago.

OK. Obviously you don't want to pursue it, but if Jesus was a man, then a man died.

Needlessly. Theatre for God so he could allow himself to change his own mind about his own rules. Absolutely ridiculous. And disgusting.

Not to mention entirely fictional, luckily.

(February 22, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Lek Wrote: OK.  Obviously you don't want to pursue it, but if Jesus was a man, then a man died.

Oh, I'm ready to persue it, since he always was god, the god, in a man's body. And the god can't die. So only a hull died.

Riddle me the trinity in another way. That's the question I asked you last time we went there and you admitted to not being able to.

(February 22, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: It's been extremely successful, having started with a small band of ragtag disciples and has been growing ever since.  It's the largest faith in the world and is still growing.  God doesn't require that we all interpret the bible the same, but that we have faith in his son.

Which is still an immoral system.

The vast majority of humanity will still be punished for eternity for a thought crime.

They're being punished for the heinous crime of being born human.

(February 22, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 4:37 pm)abaris Wrote: Oh, please!

Jesus is god, according to your own trinity. So he just sacrificed a hull. Been there, discussed that as nauseam.

Secondly, as I already said. God is supposed to be omniscient. So what's the point in tempting, if the outcome is already a known quantity? Just as the Jesus suffering, this only looks good if you don't scratch the surface. But the first question asked inevitable exposes the rust underneath.

God doesn't make the choices for us.  You can choose whether to murder someone or not.

I agree that Jesus is God, but I don't get what you mean when you say that God sacrificed a hull.  Jesus is man as well as God.  When he died, it was a man who died.  How does Jesus being God effect the sacrifice?

God does make the choice when he doesn't give Adam the knowledge to know good and evil, puts that knowledge in the fruit of a tree then tells him not to eat the fruit. God knew what would happen. To say god is not responsible is to betray an astounding lack of understandingg cause and effect.

Then instead of teaching the man, god leaves him to fend for himself and the first time Adam breaks a rule, he gets capital punishment.

Would you treat your child like that? Would you treat your dog like that?

(February 22, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The vast majority of humanity will still be punished for eternity for a thought crime.

The bible says that Jesus' sacrifice was for all mankind, not just for a few of us.

And you give that fiat credulity just because the bible said it, despite the fact that the bible is only 1700 years old while the vast majority of humanity began its sojourn on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Does Jesus' sacrifice include the Neanderthal and the common ancestor we share with apes? No? Well, does it include the early Homo sapiens or only the modern Homo sapiens?

(February 22, 2016 at 6:31 pm)abaris Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Lek Wrote: How does Jesus being God effect the sacrifice?

Since it comes with the job description of god that he can't die. Three personas, one of them died - for three days. That's a magic trick rather than a sacrifice. But we've already been there, years ago.

FIFY

(February 22, 2016 at 6:37 pm)abaris Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Lek Wrote: OK.  Obviously you don't want to pursue it, but if Jesus was a man, then a man died.

Oh, I'm ready to persue it, since he always was god, the god, in a man's body. And the god can't die. So only a hull died.

Riddle me the trinity in another way. That's the question I asked you last time we went there and you admitted to not being able to.

Jesus was 100% God and 100% man. When we say talk about the Trinity, that is the explanation of Jesus.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:03 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Lek Wrote: God doesn't make the choices for us.  You can choose whether to murder someone or not.

I agree that Jesus is God, but I don't get what you mean when you say that God sacrificed a hull.  Jesus is man as well as God.  When he died, it was a man who died.  How does Jesus being God effect the sacrifice?

God does make the choice when he doesn't give Adam the knowledge to know good and evil, puts that knowledge in the fruit of a tree then tells him not to eat the fruit. God knew what would happen. To say god is not responsible is to  betray an astounding lack of understandingg cause and effect.

Then instead of teaching the man, god leaves him to fend for himself and the first time Adam breaks a rule, he gets capital punishment.

Would you treat your child like that?  Would you treat your dog like that?

God clearly told Adam not to eat of the fruit of that tree.  Did Adam have a choice to eat it or not or did God force him to.  Remember, God wanted us to have the ability to choose.  He didn't create us as robots.  The fact that you think he's bad is one your reasons not to believe in him, but it has no effect on how God chooses to do things.