(February 22, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 8:05 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: I love the smell of christers with a persecution complex in the morning. Their whining smells like victory.

When are you ever going to get it into your thick head GC that a) I don't believe in the bullshit you're peddling, b) that I've copped on to the fact that the god you believe would be by his very nature, immoral (if he ever existed) and c) that your whining every time your bullshit is torn a new one makes you look worse? While it is entertaining to see you hoist yourself by your petard, it is beginning to get a bit tedious.

Once again you show the childish attitude that consumes your being, grow up if you expect a conversation from me.

GC

And once again you show that you have no answers to my substantive points. Instead you just piss and moan about perceived injustices and insults against you. Typical of a person with a bankrupt worldview and an inability to understand basic logic.

(February 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Drich Wrote: How can you explain 3 dimensions to a being who only will ever except 2?

You and your kudoed followers are those two dimensional beings. Those two dimensions are only life and death. Even in your best 'what if senerio' allowing for a God you will not allow for the Life promised after death.

So let's say one of your two dimensional hero's saves this kid, now who will save this kids kid from him? or do you not get these types of anger issues are passed down? that the dad was a kid beaten the same way...

So now what if the beating was bad enough, and did enough mental damage that if he lived he would have done something far worse??? Hitler's Dad was supposed to have beaten little boy hitler with in an inch of his life several different times.

At what point is it better to 'reset' the child's life than to force him to live it?

But, again to 'rest' is not an option for you all therefore you see death as being a 'bad' thing. because again you all are two dimensional only.

The limit God promises all of us is to not test us beyond what we can bear. For this boy, what his Father did was more than he could bear, so God called him home.

In the light of a 3 dimensional reality, how is being called home a 'bad thing?'

And here comes Drich, with the "death is always a blessing" spiel, asking me what's really wrong with a child getting beaten to death as long as he went to heaven (probably). Do I even need to explain how barbaric and fucked up that is?


"Oh, you're just one of those two-dimensional beings who can't see how getting beaten to death when you're six is a blessing in disguise." Does three-dimensional mean fucking psychotic? I'm good, thanks.


You guys were wondering why I went with an argument seated more in emotion than strict logic. This is why. This is what I wanted at least somebody to see. Part of my anger for this incident had to do with the fact that I knew people would think things like this when it happened, and this seemed like the most appropriate place to pick a fight with that mindset and publicly shame it. It seemed like a better way to deal with it than praying.


I never said I was a role model or a good person.

(February 22, 2016 at 4:36 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 5:02 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I didn't know it was happening you little prick. The difference between me and your god is if I saw a child being abused I would stop it.

You didn't know children were being abused, you live in a cave or something. If so get out and join an organization that helps these children.

GC

How do you know I don't? I have done a lot of work with abused and underprivileged children in my community but that is besides the point. This doesn't put a stop to abuse it only helps the victim cope with it after the fact, you only recognize abuse after it happens. Your god is should be able to stop it before it happens, no?

(February 22, 2016 at 10:45 am)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: The point I was making on the three omnis, not including the one on benevolence (for the obvious reason that Yahweh's love is conditional), is that they are taught by nearly all, if not all Christian leaders. Therefore, it really doesn't matter whether they're in the bible, when they are what they believe. When this doctrine first sprung from out of the Vatican sewer it was no more or less authentic than the bible itself, therefore the bible makes no difference. I was just using the doctrines which Xtians believe in order to point out how they contradict themselves. They just can't have a god which is all three omnis, and the pinnacle of perfection (another belief which few Xtians would be known to contradict), and allows bad things to happen. It would not be capable of that.

I think god could allow bad things to happen even with those 3 Omni's if god is not Omnibenevolent.

The bible repeatedly describes its god character as good and the source of all good things, and modern Christian doctrine has translated that as omni-benevolence. It's a remarkably common belief despite having no outright biblical source.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I never said I was a role model or a good person.

Which makes you more appealing, from my perspective.

(February 22, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 5:15 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You god is one which your basic church doctrine purports to be both omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as well as being perfect (whatever that means, but "flawless" is clearly implied). Therefore, such a god must be held himself to the standards of responsibility which go with the above conditions. What sort of a perfect creator permits his creation to go off and make stupid decisions which it could have prevented? No perfect god can exist under the three O's and allow that! Therefore, either your "Free Will" argument is a nicely dressed-up turd, or it's your god who smells of shit.

  Church doctrine has nothing to do with who God is, so your entire argument means nothing to Christians.
God created a perfect world and man brought sin into it, so man is responsible for his own mess, God told Adam this before he sinned, death will be the way for man. Free will misused by man has caused his suffering, another warning by God to mankind. You must be one of those who wants to blame everyone but yourself of your shortcomings, sad I think.

GC

Horse shit! Church doctrine means everything when that's what Christians believe, and if you don't believe it then you are following your own cult. Cherry-picking your own beliefs and modifying others to make them convenient for the argument at hand does not help your credibility. You are despicably dishonest!

(February 22, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 10:45 am)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: The point I was making on the three omnis, not including the one on benevolence (for the obvious reason that Yahweh's love is conditional), is that they are taught by nearly all, if not all Christian leaders. Therefore, it really doesn't matter whether they're in the bible, when they are what they believe. When this doctrine first sprung from out of the Vatican sewer it was no more or less authentic than the bible itself, therefore the bible makes no difference. I was just using the doctrines which Xtians believe in order to point out how they contradict themselves. They just can't have a god which is all three omnis, and the pinnacle of perfection (another belief which few Xtians would be known to contradict), and allows bad things to happen. It would not be capable of that.

I think god could allow bad things to happen even with those 3 Omni's if god is not Omnibenevolent.

God is not omnibenevolent, but the existing trifecta omni doctrine combined with the doctrine of perfection are what should prevent a god from deciding not to prevent evil. If he were to do this, then that would make him imperfect.

(February 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Drich Wrote: How can you explain 3 dimensions to a being who only will ever except 2?

You and your kudoed followers are those two dimensional beings. Those two dimensions are only life and death. Even in your best 'what if senerio' allowing for a God you will not allow for the Life promised after death.

So let's say one of your two dimensional hero's saves this kid, now who will save this kids kid from him? or do you not get these types of anger issues are passed down? that the dad was a kid beaten the same way...

So now what if the beating was bad enough, and did enough mental damage that if he lived he would have done something far worse??? Hitler's Dad was supposed to have beaten little boy hitler with in an inch of his life several different times.

At what point is it better to 'reset' the child's life than to force him to live it?

But, again to 'rest' is not an option for you all therefore you see death as being a 'bad' thing. because again you all are two dimensional only.

The limit God promises all of us is to not test us beyond what we can bear. For this boy, what his Father did was more than he could bear, so God called him home.

In the light of a 3 dimensional reality, how is being called home a 'bad thing?'

By your sick and depraved logic, it would be a good thing if what happened to that child happened to you. Can't say I would disagree in that case, it would leave decent people in this world one less arrogant asshole to insult them. Since it's such a good thing when that happens, I know your're just itching to try it yourself - perhaps that could be arranged.

(February 22, 2016 at 8:18 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I think god could allow bad things to happen even with those 3 Omni's if god is not Omnibenevolent.

God is not omnibenevolent, but the existing trifecta omni doctrine combined with the doctrine of perfection are what should prevent a god from deciding not to prevent evil. If he were to do this, then that would make him imperfect.

If god can not do anything evil and can only do good, because he is perfect, how is that not omnibenevolent?