Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't there currently somewhere along the line of 18 wars currently going on all over the world?

And yet Atlas wants whom exactly to stay up late at night worrying about the ME?

Sorry, I'm not a higher up in any military or government office. I'm not even PART of a military or government office. So why would it be my concern to care about any of that? Honestly, I didn't start shit over there or anywhere else that's currently undergoing a conflict. Leave me out of ALL of it.

If I could snap my fingers and stop people bashing each other to death over idiotic stuff, I would. Sadly, I'm not the one with the power to do that.

(February 24, 2016 at 8:55 am)Rhythm Wrote: You think that without the west's uncondontional support, isreal would be or would have been annihilated in a single day, and also that "secularism" should have done less.  Death to isreal, insha allah.  

So long as the pro-isreal faction has people like yourself to point to, to paint the entirety of the opposition with....the situation will persists as-is.  So long as your clique insists on rambling like idiots, as above, you will not find a seat at the table if or when the situation does change.

Keep putting words which I didn't say in my mouth, and keep living in that delusion; your loss not mine.
Anyhow in response to the important parts, which are in bold:

The problem of this world, was people like you, who think that self defense is a monopoly; a right, that only they posses and have the right to practice. So no wonder, that you supported the nuclear attacks against Japan (in a previous discussion we had), and considered that a "correct righteous move", while blame me and my kin, for defending ourselves against an invading force, that came to kill and occupy, ironically, just like the founders of your great nation.

RobbyPants

The forth group also exist in the Middle East; Sunni Jihadists carry this line of thinking, so as the Shia Twelvers.
It's a scary branch, on the Christian, Jewish & Islamic side: some are willing to spill so much blood to bring the prophicies true. Scary.

robvalue

Secularism is the prevention of religious thought to reach the ruling chamber; even if a majority supported it. So technically, it carries a type of tyranny in its core.

The idea of secularism itself, is denying me my right to rule with religion, even if the majority was by my side. That's why -for the existence of Israel-, I blame each and every secular person -if they accepted it as a legitimate state-; and accuse them of hypocrisy and bigotry if they didn't oppose Israel.

That was my whole point.

Nymphadora

Throughout history, people repeated what you said; left the bully evil ones who lead, lead them to wars,conflict and battles, until grudges grew and hate covered our globe.

In one argument that can be directed towards this comment, a person who remains silent during a crime, is carrying a burden, too. Your silence, along with the silence of Millions, is just giving the mad leaders more space to do their evil deeds.

If we as a specie, cared for each others and took each others problems seriously, maybe the world would've became a better place.

(February 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Secularism is the prevention of religious thought to reach the ruling chamber; even if a majority supported it. So technically, it carries a type of tyranny in its core.

Sorry, wtf?! Using your terms, Secularism is the prevention of religious mandate to be passed in to legislation. It makes absolutely no statement on thought control; the opposite of what Islam does. As a result, all people of all religions or none are able to benefit from the rule of government and are prevented from stopping others from doing so. So actually it opposes tyranny in its core.

Quote:The idea of secularism itself, is denying me my right to rule with religion, even if the majority was by my side.

That's the thing, you have no such right because not everyone has the same religious belief as you. Governments' main concern is administrative governance of a nation not ideological control. Your misunderstanding, actually perversion would be a better term, of the purpose of government is your issue.

Quote:That's why -for the existence of Israel-, I blame each and every secular person -if they accepted it as a legitimate state-; and accuse them of hypocrisy and bigotry if they didn't oppose Israel.

And that's why your blaming of secularists is not only unfounded but profoundly bigotted and unethical in both its premises and consequences. Why don't you try blaming the people actually responsible and stop using Israel as a premise to attack people of a differing ideology to you? All you're doing is being an arse.

Whoah, whoah...

Atlas wants to rule with his religion? Am I reading this correctly?

Well, if your God was real, I'm sure that would be extremely easy. Since he's not, tough luck. Secularism is the only sensible way forward for civilization, and if you're against it you're part of the problem you're complaining about.

You see, you might not have noticed, but there's more than one religion. And when two religions with your mindset both want to rule a country, and there's no secular foundation, this is when religious wars happen. Whereas in civilised, secular countries, people of all faiths can coexist without feeling the need to control each other with their personal beliefs.

You think taking away your "right" to dominate others with your religion is persecution? Yeah, no.

Wow. Before reading that, I was generous enough to side Atlas with the "reasonable Muslims". Now I feel his mental state is closer to ISIS.

Religion has rotted his humanity.