That's like my favourite parallel refutation of God: the non-physical comedian who tells me knock knock jokes telepathically from his atemporal plane of existence.

The only problem with the hooker is we could swing a bat at you and if it hit you she obviously wasn't there to get in the way...

You hit his ho with a bat and her pimp be fucking you up, man.

(March 4, 2011 at 11:37 am)theVOID Wrote: The only problem with the hooker is we could swing a bat at you and if it hit you she obviously wasn't there to get in the way...

She ducked



besides..she has the agility and stretchability of a gold medal gymnast... her muscle control is fabulous.

PROOF SHE EXISTS - I leave money on top of a mailbox near the street corner that she hooks at so I can pay her and her pimp, and the next day the money is gone.

(March 4, 2011 at 9:30 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you don't 'know' then Ev you're only certain. Pretty much like faith then

If what I am aware of is the absence of any gods, I then know that there are no gods. If what I am ware of is in fact the omnipresence of gods, then I don't know that there are no gods.

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(March 4, 2011 at 10:15 am)Watson Wrote: So DvF, where do you claim to derive your sense of confidence from?

From the improbability of reality containing the omnipresence of god(s).

Quote: As I pointed out before, to claim that you are aware of the abscence of any gods is to claim you have some awareness outside yourself,

I can be aware of many things that are not me. I can be aware that there is a sun in the sky for example.

Quote:You would have to see the world, the universe itself in fact, from a perspective which allows you to observe the natural order of things and which, presuming there are no gods, reveals to you by its nature that it worked in a way that lacks gods.

God is supposed to be omnipresent, and since God is improbable, I am probably aware of the absence of gods rather than their presence.

Quote:It's like looking at one piece of the puzzle and claiming to 'know' what the entire puzzle is going to look liek and how it is to be constructed, from start to finish.

If I visualize what the puzzle will look like when finished, and my visualization is accurate, then I am aware of and know what the result of the puzzle is. If not, not.

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(March 4, 2011 at 11:21 am)theVOID Wrote: That is no better than a theists own subjective certainty that god exists. Your confidence that you are correct is not KNOWLEDGE, so you DO NOT know that God does not exist, you merely strongly believe so.

Since God is improbable, I am probably aware of - I probably know - his absence rather than his presence in all things (omnipresence).

Quote:and the next day the money is gone.

Yep. Empty Tomb. Empty Wallet.


Same shit.

"Probably know" is potentially self refuting, it wouldn't be if you define knowledge as a "true justified belief", in that case if there is no God you do know that there is no god, but there are so many parallel refutations to TJB, and I have yet to see a comprehensive enough theory of justification to account for that, so in all likelihood "probably know" is self refuting.

I could be wrong, Epistemology is a pretty tricky bitch to tame, that's why after all my efforts to find a syllogistic epistemology I've settled on Bayesian Epistemology.

New name DvF: DoubtVsCertainty

(March 4, 2011 at 12:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:and the next day the money is gone.

Yep. Empty Tomb. Empty Wallet.


Same shit.

Yup..because everytime I see an empty tomb, I think "The guy must have came back to life and walked away."

I never think the body was moved or stolen..resurection is the first thing that comes to mind.

That's how I feel when my wife goes by my wallet.


Another fucking miracle!

(March 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's how I feel when my wife goes by my wallet.


Another fucking miracle!

Your wife allows you to keep cash in your wallet?