(February 29, 2016 at 8:16 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 4:31 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: List one thing godly that Jesus did.  

Isn't Moses' miracle of parting the Red Sea more impressive that Jesus turning water into wine?

Walking on water, raising Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, walking through walls, teleportation, and flying.

That enough?

To be honest none of it is particularly impressive.  I mean even if it were verifiable, it's not exactly 'wow' material.  A few magic tricks, nothing really impressive for a god.

Jonas Salk and the Polio Vaccine have nearly wiped out Polio, and in a few generations it may be a distant memory.

Edward Jenner and the Smallpox Vaccine have eradicated smallpox.  The last time someone naturally got Smallpox?  1977.  Last time someone got it in the United States? 1949. 

Alexander Fleming (among others) discovered Penicillin, saving an estimated 82 million lives, and still counting.

Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch (among others again) supported germ theory, leading to saving millions of more lives.

All of these, mere men without the knowledge of the inner workings of the universe.  No mere magic tricks that continue helping people long after they're gone.

(March 1, 2016 at 12:29 am)dyresand Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 8:16 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Walking on water, raising Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, walking through walls, teleportation, and flying.

That enough?

Give a engineer some time and he can accomplish all of that

He'll just have to science the shit out of it!

(February 29, 2016 at 4:31 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 28, 2016 at 10:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You sir are an absolute idiot, you have no idea what you're saying, why, because you are completely devoid of what the scriptures teach.

GC

List one thing godly that Jesus did.  

Isn't Moses' miracle of parting the Red Sea more impressive that Jesus turning water into wine?

God parted the waters, so in essence Jesus did.

GC

(March 1, 2016 at 2:54 am)Godschild Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 4:31 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: List one thing godly that Jesus did.  

Isn't Moses' miracle of parting the Red Sea more impressive that Jesus turning water into wine?

God parted the waters, so in essence Jesus did.

GC

The God character is really going to be pissed at the Jesus character for claiming to be him.

(March 1, 2016 at 12:14 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 8:16 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Walking on water, raising Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, walking through walls, teleportation, and flying.

That enough?

Nope, it isn't.  Other characters did similar things.  

Heck, doctors are doing penis transplants today.  What's more godly than that?  All Jesus knew how to do was cutoff guys' foreskins.  They had a big fetish about that. They liked to suck the bloody thing and eat the foreskin for a snack.  It's the "drink my blood and eat my flesh thing".

You think penis transplants are miraculous? You must be due for an upgrade.

In that case I guess one would find that to be a godsend.

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(March 1, 2016 at 12:49 am)Cecelia Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 8:16 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Walking on water, raising Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, walking through walls, teleportation, and flying.

That enough?

To be honest none of it is particularly impressive.  I mean even if it were verifiable, it's not exactly 'wow' material.  A few magic tricks, nothing really impressive for a god.

Jonas Salk and the Polio Vaccine have nearly wiped out Polio, and in a few generations it may be a distant memory.

Edward Jenner and the Smallpox Vaccine have eradicated smallpox.  The last time someone naturally got Smallpox?  1977.  Last time someone got it in the United States? 1949.  

Alexander Fleming (among others) discovered Penicillin, saving an estimated 82 million lives, and still counting.

Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch (among others again) supported germ theory, leading to saving millions of more lives.

All of these, mere men without the knowledge of the inner workings of the universe.  No mere magic tricks that continue helping people long after they're gone.

let's see, If one could feed as many people as Jesus did with the amount of food he had (there was food still left over mind you) world hunger would be eradicated; NOPE not impressive.

Raising people from the dead (think of being able to bring back anyone you wanted from the past); NOPE not impressive.

But you find vaccines to be miraculous, when it's ones own immune system (given to you by God) that does the actual work.

Funny though, the indigenous peoples of this country had no need for vaccines, until filthy Europeans started gifting them blankets contaminated with smallpox... you don't find Plagues to be impressive? Do you want to weigh how many lives were saved against how many destroyed?

Wasn't impressed with the frog plague, that was just silly.

(March 1, 2016 at 6:15 am)Huggy74 Wrote: let's see, If one could feed as many people as Jesus did with the amount of food he had (there was food still left over mind you) world hunger would be eradicated; NOPE not impressive.

Raising people from the dead (think of being able to bring back anyone you wanted from the past); NOPE not impressive.

But you find vaccines to be miraculous, when it's ones own immune system (given to you by God) that does the actual work.

Funny though, the indigenous peoples of this country had no need for vaccines, until filthy Europeans started gifting them blankets contaminated with smallpox... you don't find Plagues to be impressive? Do you want to weigh how many lives were saved against how many destroyed?

No, feeding as many people as Jesus did with the amount of food he had isn't impressive.  Because world hunger?  It's still around.  A major problem in fact.  It's nothing more than a cheap magic trick that did nothing for anyone except for a few people some two thousand years ago (assuming it actually happened, that is).   It'd be impressive if Jesus ended world hunger.  But he didn't.  Funny how it's still around.

Raising people from the dead?  Again, not impressive.  Nothing more than a cheap magic trick assuming it even happened.  It accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of today's world. 

Yes, I find vaccines to be more impressive because they've actually accomplished things.  And no, you don't get to give God or Jesus credit for our immune system, because he told us absolutely nothing about them, instead leaving us to believe disease came from Demons.  

Who exactly are you trying to pin the blame of the spread of smallpox on?  Europeans?  You mean the ones who came over here, and wanted to evangelize the "savages" and spread the "good word" of Jesus?  Those guys?  Funny how they apparently didn't need vaccines before the Jesus freaks showed up.  (Of course it's arguable that they wouldn't have needed vaccines).  So their life was much better before they learned about Jesus, according to you.  So I'm not sure what great things Jesus is supposed to have done other than a few cheap magic tricks that are meaningless.

(March 1, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Cecelia Wrote: No, feeding as many people as Jesus did with the amount of food he had isn't impressive.  Because world hunger?  It's still around.  A major problem in fact.  It's nothing more than a cheap magic trick that did nothing for anyone except for a few people some two thousand years ago (assuming it actually happened, that is).   It'd be impressive if Jesus ended world hunger.  But he didn't.  Funny how it's still around.

Raising people from the dead?  Again, not impressive.  Nothing more than a cheap magic trick assuming it even happened.  It accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of today's world. 

Yes, I find vaccines to be more impressive because they've actually accomplished things.  And no, you don't get to give God or Jesus credit for our immune system, because he told us absolutely nothing about them, instead leaving us to believe disease came from Demons. 

let's see, raising a decomposing corpse from the dead, not impressive; but vaccinations! mans greatest achievement!  

(March 1, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Who exactly are you trying to pin the blame of the spread of smallpox on?  Europeans?  You mean the ones who came over here, and wanted to evangelize the "savages" and spread the "good word" of Jesus?  Those guys?  Funny how they apparently didn't need vaccines before the Jesus freaks showed up.  (Of course it's arguable that they wouldn't have needed vaccines).  So their life was much better before they learned about Jesus, according to you.  So I'm not sure what great things Jesus is supposed to have done other than a few cheap magic tricks that are meaningless.

The genocide of the Indians had nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with greed.

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.” - Thomas Jefferson

The above quote is by Thomas Jefferson, who Atheist like to point out, was not a christian.

But since you tried to pin the genocide of the Indians on Christianity, will you also give credit to Christianity for inventing the vaccine, that saved all those lives, seeing how the man that invented the smallpox vaccine was a "Jesus freak"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner

Quote:Neither fanatic nor lax, Jenner was a Christian who in his personal correspondence showed himself quite spiritual; he treasured the Bible. Some days before his death, he stated to a friend: "I am not surprised that men are not grateful to me; but I wonder that they are not grateful to God for the good which he has made me the instrument of conveying to my fellow creatures."

Therefore what you consider to be the greatest human achievement; was accomplished by a christian...

How do you like them apples.

(March 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: let's see, raising a decomposing corpse from the dead, not impressive; but vaccinations! mans greatest achievement!  

Would you be so kind as to point me to the decomposing part in the bible? It must have slipped my notice, everytime I read or have been told the story.

(March 2, 2016 at 1:41 pm)abaris Wrote: Would you be so kind as to point me to the decomposing part in the bible? It must have slipped my notice, everytime I read or have been told the story.

Quote:John 11
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

*emphasis mine*