(March 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 7:23 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: I'm an atheist because literally nothing seems less likely than the notion that physical reality is a creation made by an extradimensional entity with infinite attributes who is perfect in every way.

And yet many respected physicists believe in the existence of other dimensions and the possibility of intelligent entities existing in those dimensions.

They may assume such, or want it to be true, or feel like it is the best explanation for unresolved scientific questions. They believe in the possibility of this hypothesis. I believe in the possibility of this hypothesis (mostly because I want it to be true). I doubt very much you'll find many, if any, who are as sure of it as you are of your hypothesis. My level of certainty regarding this hypothesis is zero.

The Yahweh hypothesis is still incalculably less likely than that. It is just about infinitely close to zero. The only thing less likely is the hypothesis that Yahweh was created by some yet greater being, which is a hypothesis I've never seen a Christian admit is possible.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:14 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Yep, that's why we call Christianity a faith.

Anything with a reliance upon faith has no true stance in reality.

(March 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm)Stimbo Wrote: "If". You use that word a lot. "If such and such is true, then 'God' etc etc."

If not, what then?

If there is no God then take Alistair Crowley's mantra and go with that;

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

There is no god.

The end.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:00 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm)AJW333 Wrote: And yet many respected physicists believe in the existence of other dimensions and the possibility of intelligent entities existing in those dimensions.

Believe? Consider the possibility more likely. And that makes your case how exactly?

Picky picky. Definition of believe;

"to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so." Dictionary.com

What it says is that the belief in God is not so far away from what many scientists are believing, ie that other dimensions exist and that intelligent entities may exist therein.

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(March 14, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Kitan Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 9:14 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Yep, that's why we call Christianity a faith.

Anything with a reliance upon faith has no true stance in reality.

Faith is simply "confidence or trust in a person or thing." You use it every day.

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(March 14, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm)AJW333 Wrote: And yet many respected physicists believe in the existence of other dimensions and the possibility of intelligent entities existing in those dimensions.

They may assume such, or want it to be true, or feel like it is the best explanation for unresolved scientific questions. They believe in the possibility of this hypothesis. I believe in the possibility of this hypothesis (mostly because I want it to be true). I doubt very much you'll find many, if any, who are as sure of it as you are of your hypothesis. My level of certainty regarding this hypothesis is zero.

The Yahweh hypothesis is still incalculably less likely than that. It is just about infinitely close to zero. The only thing less likely is the hypothesis that Yahweh was created by some yet greater being, which is a hypothesis I've never seen a Christian admit is possible.

So the possibility of there being an intelligent creator is zero but the possibility that the universe created itself from scratch is quite reasonable.

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(March 14, 2016 at 9:21 pm)Kitan Wrote: There is no god.

The end.

I've no idea why you would want to go and shoot yourself in the foot like that. You've just made a grand statement with zero evidence and in the next breath, you mock those who say they believe that the universe has a creator (a statement for which there is much evidence.)

(March 14, 2016 at 9:32 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I've no idea why you would want to go and shoot yourself in the foot like that. You've just made a grand statement with zero evidence and in the next breath, you mock those who say they believe that the universe has a creator (a statement for which there is much evidence.)

Let me make this VERY clear for you.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence for the existence of god.

Therefore, for me to state what I did is closer to reality than anything religion could ever offer.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:32 pm)AJW333 Wrote: What it says is that the belief in God is not so far away from what many scientists are believing, ie that other dimensions exist and that intelligent entities may exist therein.

Outside your neat little circle you don't impress anyone with your definitions straight from the lexicon. They don't rule the possibility out, based on their SCIENTIFIC knowledge and findings. I hope, you get the distincition between possibility, worthy of being investigated and belief. And, I may repeat, how does that make your case?

And please take note of the capitals, since that's what you failed to provide so far.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:18 pm)AJW333 Wrote: If there is no God then take Alistair Crowley's mantra and go with that;

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

Which is the usual bully response. Can't make your case, resort to punches.

A less polite individual might call it the idiot's response. But far be that from me.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:32 pm)AJW333 Wrote: So the possibility of there being an intelligent creator is zero but the possibility that the universe created itself from scratch is quite reasonable.

I'm guessing you refer to the Big Bang, but that's not an accurate way of stating it.

The likeliest explanation, given what we know, is that the sum total of the universe's contents have always existed and will, in some form, always exist.

The possibility that an intelligent creator is not zero, just that it's as close as you can get without being there. The only defense of the argument that is demonstrably true is that it cannot be demonstrably disproven, but you can't disprove that a robotic flower created the universe out of candy, either.

There biggest problem is that they are too nice, and don't sway from moral absolutes. On Tuesdays I identify as a dog, and demand everyone bow to my demands and take me on walks every two hours while at work, but no one will help me so I'm forced to poop and pee on the floor which is just embarrassing, and in a way I feel I'm the victim. As a result I've started howling at the beautiful women that walk by my office, and every time they look at me like I'm the one offending them, I lift my leg and mark my territory to dominate everyone I come in contact with. Although I tend to scoot my ass across the floor to the vending machine which is not built for dogs so I have to submit to human privilege once again, I still manage to hold my tongue, until it's time to lick my ass.

(March 14, 2016 at 9:02 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Chas Wrote: Because it's not fucking talking about stars - it's about Greek myth.

The Pleiades were the seven daughters of the titan Atlas and the sea-nymph Pleione.

Orion the hunter chased them, but could not bind them.

How do you know that Job is borrowing his revelation from the Greeks? He says it was God who revealed it to him directly. Check the context of the passage. God is saying to Job how he created everything and holds itall  together. It has nothing to do with Greek fables.

Those Constellations take their names from Greek myth.  There was no Job, it is a story.  The many authors of the OT took their tales from many cultures.