No wonder women have problems with their self-image!

"Does this dress make me look like a rib?"

(March 24, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(March 24, 2016 at 6:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proof please.

GC

How about Titus 1:14 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%201:14

 Your reading comprehension must be turned down a bit, the verse says of men, not the Bible give to us by God.

GC

(March 24, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:

(March 24, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: How about Titus 1:14 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%201:14

That's a fkn slam dunk if I've ever seen one.

Good luck with him seeing it though lol.

You have to read what the verse says not what you want it to say, shot bloked.

GC

(March 22, 2016 at 3:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: As for Adam falling to Eve's urging, don't you think God blamed Adam for listening to her, that's the way I see it. As for Eve she was told by Adam what God had commanded, she believed Satan over her husband, so God gave her a desire to obey him, and then God set up the way a family was to be lived, with the man at the head of it. None of this was punishment though most see it that way. Eve's punishment was pain in child birth and Adam's was to work by the sweat of his brow, and because the brought sin into humanity we all suffer the same things, even the death they were promised if they disobeyed. As for man's response to how God punished them they took it upon themselves to misinterpret what God said to control women, this was never God's intent.

GC

So, God - the omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient? Immutable? Creator - had his intentions misunderstood? And while pouring out his Spirit into so-called inspired texts, failed to clarify this (mis)conception of his designs? Is this a pattern with your deity?

(March 25, 2016 at 3:14 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote:

(March 24, 2016 at 2:00 am)robvalue Wrote: Question for all theists:

If you're presented with a random story, how do you go about determining whether or not it might be a real story? How would you teach a child to tell the difference?

OK, as the theists aren't biting, let me have a crack at this, Rob.

1. You give me the random story.
2. I check if it's in my book of made up bollox. If it's not, I say it's not true.

I ignore the fact that this method was not available to the people who compiled my book of made up bollox in the first place. Those people might have rejected your story as untrue, but they could not have used the criteria of "it's not in the Bibo/Kerrang/Bhang-a-gran-Rita/whatever." They used a bunch of criteria I don't know about, but I don't want to think about that*.

I also ignore the fact that the story might be in someone else's book of made up bollox. Because it is my book of made up bollox that is the only one that is right.

Do I get a prize for "most convincing answer so far"?

*When the Codex Sinaiticus - including the oldest extant complete copy of the new testament - was transcribed, the clergy required over ten thousand corrections to it. How did they know what to correct it to?
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/codex/significance.aspx

That is definitely the most convincing answer so far! You win a book of bollocks

Do religious people actually teach their children how to tell reality from fantasy? Seriously. Do they? How do they then tell their kid that their book is "just different"? Stop asking questions you little fucker! That's how learning happens! Is that what you want, you little bitch?

My answer would be, "Did my mum tell me this story was true?"

It's quite telling that even between Christians who believe the bible is somehow magically true, they can't agree on what is literal and what is fictional within the same book. They talk to God, and even he doesn't know.

Other possible criteria:

"Do I get a warm fuzzy feeling while reading the story?"

"Did the author know the name of some towns near where he lived?"

"Can a random atheist prove the story didn't happen?"

Maybe as a scientific test we should pick stories from other works of fiction and from the bible, mix them up, and then see if a Christian (who isn't very familiar with the bible, ie. most of them) can pick out the fictional ones from the "true" ones.

(March 26, 2016 at 2:57 am)robvalue Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 3:14 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: ...

Maybe as a scientific test we should pick stories from other works of fiction and from the bible, mix them up, and then see if a Christian (who isn't very familiar with the bible, ie. most of them) can pick out the fictional ones from the "true" ones.

How about this?
http://atheistforums.org/post-1232041.html#pid1232041

That is awesome, yeah! Something like that indeed!

Which of these stories are probably true, and which aren't? A quiz for christians, without cheating by looking it up.

Maybe they are all probably true, maybe none of them are.

A) A woman makes a bargain with a king, where they will boil and eat each other's sons.

B) A dragon leads the way to an oasis in the desert, saving the lives of many people.

C) A man describes a "golden tree", and when the group reach the tree which meets the description, they find gold inside the tree.

(March 16, 2016 at 3:48 am)1994Californication Wrote: God creates everything, including Adam and Eve.Adam and Eve eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...the tree of knowledge (does that mean god wanted us to be stupid? Or just to mindlessly obey - I mean, is the "wrong" done here because they disobeyed, or because they gained the knowledge of good and evil) and then banished them from the garden, before they could eat from the tree of life (that would give them eternal life) - after playing a game of hide and seek.And its never explained why that tree was there in the first place or what was the deal with the talking snake(most Christians would say it was Satan but it was never explicitly stated as such).

We know scientifically it is a bullshit story alone. Human don't magically pop out of dirt, women don't magically pop out of a man's rib, and the earth is 4 billion years old and was not created in 6 days.

But morally it is a vile story on top of that. You have two innocent victims thrust into a situation without their consent and as you said, expected to blindly obey. But the "fall" was the result of a rigged bet between God and Lucifer, which put's Adam and Eve as poker chips and again, without their consent or any knowledge as to what their roll was in any of it. 

But again, this motif style of writing was common in all of antiquity. Back then society lived under feudal kingships and the prior polytheism that lead to the monotheism of Abraham, reflected the expectation that the layperson support the warrior and ruling class, and those on top expected the population to tow the tribal line. And in a very evolutionary reality, it was because life was harsher and tribalism was extremely pronounced even locally and the mortality rate was much higher. So loyalty back then was much more important. 

The reality is that humans make up these stories as as gap filling when really what they are in reality are the comic book excuses humans make to justify social pecking orders.  There is a reason "Lord" "Master" and "Kingdom of God" are written like that, because it reflects the times they lived in.

(March 26, 2016 at 7:42 am)robvalue Wrote: That is awesome, yeah! Something like that indeed!

I wonder if Godschild would spot the errors, or be able to work out which was the true text, given that in his last post on this topic, he spelt "blocked" as "bloked" and his signature declares him to be a "Southren Babtist"?