(April 22, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 1:15 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's the answer I expected from Huggy.

I guess we can't refer to newborns as girls or boys now.

You guys don't realize you are arguing from a position of insanity.

You're 100% missing the point, here, in this little diversion subtopic.

What we're trying to tell you is that there is in fact a difference between the biological sex (penis/vagina), based on the chromosomes the person inherited, and the way their brain develops during the time after conception/birth, such that a measurable difference exists in fMRI scans of trans persons' brains (incredibly, lining up with what they're claiming).

For you to then point at their penis and say, "No! You belong where I say, not where you say!" is to deny exactly what they are, and impose instead upon them your own ideas of the social order. You use things like imaginary rapists and other threats to impose this view upon them, such that they cannot use the restroom because of the very penis they (sometimes/usually) hate and wish to have removed.

You really, honestly can't see how imposing your ideas about their identity upon them isn't bigotry?

You really, honestly can't understand how ignoring their own claims of identity in favor of your presuppositions about them isn't bigotry?

Really?

(April 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I guess we can't refer to newborns as girls or boys now.

You guys don't realize you are arguing from a position of insanity.

You're 100% missing the point, here, in this little diversion subtopic.

What we're trying to tell you is that there is in fact a difference between the biological sex (penis/vagina), based on the chromosomes the person inherited, and the way their brain develops during the time after conception/birth, such that a measurable difference exists in fMRI scans of trans persons' brains (incredibly, lining up with what they're claiming).

For you to then point at their penis and say, "No! You belong where I say, not where you say!" is to deny exactly what they are, and impose instead upon them your own ideas of the social order. You use things like imaginary rapists and other threats to impose this view upon them, such that they cannot use the restroom because of the very penis they (sometimes/usually) hate and wish to have removed.

You really, honestly can't see how imposing your ideas about their identity upon them isn't bigotry?

You really, honestly can't understand how ignoring their own claims of identity in favor of your presuppositions about them isn't bigotry?

Really?

*emphasis mine*

Then explain how Bruce Jenner becoming a woman but still being attracted to women works?

You can detect differences in the brains of people with Schizophrenia also, but we don't accept their behavior as normal.

So what about people that identify as christian, is it bigotry not to accept their claims?

(April 22, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You're 100% missing the point, here, in this little diversion subtopic.

What we're trying to tell you is that there is in fact a difference between the biological sex (penis/vagina), based on the chromosomes the person inherited, and the way their brain develops during the time after conception/birth, such that a measurable difference exists in fMRI scans of trans persons' brains (incredibly, lining up with what they're claiming).

For you to then point at their penis and say, "No! You belong where I say, not where you say!" is to deny exactly what they are, and impose instead upon them your own ideas of the social order. You use things like imaginary rapists and other threats to impose this view upon them, such that they cannot use the restroom because of the very penis they (sometimes/usually) hate and wish to have removed.

You really, honestly can't see how imposing your ideas about their identity upon them isn't bigotry?

You really, honestly can't understand how ignoring their own claims of identity in favor of your presuppositions about them isn't bigotry?

Really?

*emphasis mine*

Then explain how Bruce Jenner becoming a woman but still being attracted to women works?

You can detect differences in the brains of people with Schizophrenia also, but we don't accept their behavior as normal.

So what about people that identify as christian, is it bigotry not to accept their claims?

*sigh* You insist on (deliberately?) failing to grasp every single element of what being a trans person means.

It is unrelated to their sexuality, or sexual attractions. 

And your "schizophrenia" comment is WAY, WAY off the mark. When we say "detect differences", I refer to the fact that the ones claiming to identify as women show brain-characteristics indicative of a female brain-activity (on the aforementioned fMRI scans), rather than the male type. For your analogy to work, it would mean that schizophrenics were claiming to see things, we tell them they're not really, and then the fMRI scans show that their brains really are doing what they claim they're doing... but you tell them they're still full of shit.

Yes, it would be bigotry if you told me you were a Christian and I told you that you really weren't because reasons.

(April 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*

Then explain how Bruce Jenner becoming a woman but still being attracted to women works?

You can detect differences in the brains of people with Schizophrenia also, but we don't accept their behavior as normal.

So what about people that identify as christian, is it bigotry not to accept their claims?

*sigh* You insist on (deliberately?) failing to grasp every single element of what being a trans person means.

It is unrelated to their sexuality, or sexual attractions. 

And your "schizophrenia" comment is WAY, WAY off the mark. When we say "detect differences", I refer to the fact that the ones claiming to identify as women show brain-characteristics indicative of a female brain-activity (on the aforementioned fMRI scans), rather than the male type. For your analogy to work, it would mean that schizophrenics were claiming to see things, we tell them they're not really, and then the fMRI scans show that their brains really are doing what they claim they're doing... but you tell them they're still full of shit.

Yes, it would be bigotry if you told me you were a Christian and I told you that you really weren't because reasons.

You failed to elaborate on Bruce Jenner.

(April 22, 2016 at 2:38 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: *sigh* You insist on (deliberately?) failing to grasp every single element of what being a trans person means.

It is unrelated to their sexuality, or sexual attractions.

And your "schizophrenia" comment is WAY, WAY off the mark. When we say "detect differences", I refer to the fact that the ones claiming to identify as women show brain-characteristics indicative of a female brain-activity (on the aforementioned fMRI scans), rather than the male type. For your analogy to work, it would mean that schizophrenics were claiming to see things, we tell them they're not really, and then the fMRI scans show that their brains really are doing what they claim they're doing... but you tell them they're still full of shit.

Yes, it would be bigotry if you told me you were a Christian and I told you that you really weren't because reasons.

You failed to elaborate on Bruce Jenner.

Bold emphasis. I did not fail.

(April 21, 2016 at 7:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: As it was in the days of Lot (Sodom)... So shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

What a meaningless crock of shit. I mean, I'm really impressed by the utter lack of content.

(April 21, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: That's just it isn't it? Gender isn't determined by what someone wants, or identifies as, it's determined by genitalia. The GENITALIA proves what you are...

Oh wait, theist's have been doing it all wrong, maybe they should start "identifying" with there being a God, which would make you all hypocrites for trying to challenge that posistion.

If it makes you feel better I identify you as a giant pile of shit.

(April 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 2:38 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: *sigh* You insist on (deliberately?) failing to grasp every single element of what being a trans person means.

It is unrelated to their sexuality, or sexual attractions.

And your "schizophrenia" comment is WAY, WAY off the mark. When we say "detect differences", I refer to the fact that the ones claiming to identify as women show brain-characteristics indicative of a female brain-activity (on the aforementioned fMRI scans), rather than the male type. For your analogy to work, it would mean that schizophrenics were claiming to see things, we tell them they're not really, and then the fMRI scans show that their brains really are doing what they claim they're doing... but you tell them they're still full of shit.

Yes, it would be bigotry if you told me you were a Christian and I told you that you really weren't because reasons.

You failed to elaborate on Bruce Jenner.

Bold emphasis. I did not fail.

from The American College of Pediatricians website
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks...s-children

Quote:3. A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V). The psychodynamic and social learning theories of GD/GID have never been disproved.

(April 22, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Bold emphasis. I did not fail.

from The American College of Pediatricians website
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks...s-children

Quote:3. A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V). The psychodynamic and social learning theories of GD/GID have never been disproved.

lol, all you have to do is click on the following link to find out what they really are:

http://www.acpeds.org/about-us

Just another one of those Christian institutions under the guise of a professional-sounding name.

By the way, they are wrong. Not every transgendered person has gender dysphoria. The issue, as per the DSM, is with the dysphoria part NOT with identity.

(April 22, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: from The American College of Pediatricians website
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks...s-children

lol, all you have to do is click on the following link to find out what they really are:

http://www.acpeds.org/about-us

Just another one of those Christian institutions under the guise of a professional-sounding name.

By the way, they are wrong. Not every transgendered person has gender dysphoria. The issue, as per the DSM, is with the dysphoria part NOT with identity.

Do they have conservative views? No doubt... Do people that push the lgbt agenda have liberal veiws? no doubt. Whats your point?