(April 25, 2016 at 12:23 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm the douche?!?

Common I can't be the first to have told you.

Quote:What in the FUCK could a person's damaged testicles (and before you answer, keep in mind that I am a survivor of testicular cancer, and have had one removed) have to do with their suitability for the priesthood?

It has to do with the definition of the word Holy. It means set apart, with out spot or blemish. If your lance armstrong-ing it like it or not you are with blemish. In the OT God physically set a standard from which we may use to apply or understand the Spiritual standard.

Quote:Finally, humans are not tools, or any other sort of inanimate object.

It's called an Analogy. No we are not hand held tools but we are all designed to serve a specific purpose in that way we are Tool Like.

Quote:We are all humans, regardless of what genetic anomalies or diseases we have acquired. The fact that you're capable of justifying that horrible thinking, especially through the excuse you just gave, is disgusting.

No i have not justified anything. I simply framed a command of God in the social structure in which it was originally given. You in your "horrible thinking" as to remove the original social structure and you apply your own. What is truly horrible is to take an innocent command that subdivides people based on strengths, and weaknesses and apply your own bigotry and hate to change this command into something that it is not. If anything you are the monster here for not honoring the time culture and stated command, by superseding what is written with your modern take of what this command would mean in your own corrupt mind/world.

Quote:This has zero, repeat ZERO, to do with socialism, and everything to do with recognizing the humanity of the people on that list... something you and your deity (or at least, the priests claiming to speak for that deity) apparently fail to do.

BS. The command was not to treat people badly who did not measure up. The command was to isolate a few so as to serve a specific task. You in your own warp value system you are the one who assigns special value on one job over another. That is why you can claim this is not about a social value system, but if and when you do use the tool analogy and apply to the people of Israel to being assigned tasks and specific Jobs as God intended (A theme that carries over to the NT in the "one body many parts" Sermon Paul makes in 1 Corth.) then you whole objection gets flushed.

The only time your objection has any merit is in a "I" society or an individualist society where the Part/indivisual is considered to be greater than the whole. Again this is a failed/failing social structure that can not sustain it self more than one or two generations before social collapse reclaims it. Where as "one body many parts" approach has sustained humanity for millennia.

And that's why your a douche. You seem to think your the pinnical of social and physical evolution and everything else is crap. You can't even be bothered to consider any culture or cultural thinking not your own. You just pick and choose bits and pieces to formulate an 'evil strawman' and you try and knock it down.

(April 25, 2016 at 12:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The irony of Drich calling someone else self-righteous is just too much to bear.

then you do not understand the definition of the word.

Self righteousness come from with in one's self.

My righteousness comes from Christ.

An example of 'self righteousness' means to identify what is 'right' apart from God. meaning you find 'moral authority' with in your self or a like minded culture.

I don't use the term as a insult but to describe where one derives his moral authority. Which is in conflict to how most of you use the term and is why you feel you have found a bit of irony when infact you have not.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 12:23 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm the douche?!?

Common I can't be the first to have told you.

Quote:What in the FUCK could a person's damaged testicles (and before you answer, keep in mind that I am a survivor of testicular cancer, and have had one removed) have to do with their suitability for the priesthood?

It has to do with the definition of the word Holy. It means set apart, with out spot or blemish. If your lance armstrong-ing it like it or not you are with blemish. In the OT God physically set a standard from which we may use to apply or understand the Spiritual standard.

Quote:Finally, humans are not tools, or any other sort of inanimate object.

It's called an Analogy. No we are not hand held tools but we are all designed to serve a specific purpose in that way we are Tool Like.

Quote:We are all humans, regardless of what genetic anomalies or diseases we have acquired. The fact that you're capable of justifying that horrible thinking, especially through the excuse you just gave, is disgusting.

No i have not justified anything. I simply framed a command of God in the social structure in which it was originally given. You in your "horrible thinking" as to remove the original social structure and you apply your own. What is truly horrible is to take an innocent command that subdivides people based on strengths, and weaknesses and apply your own bigotry and hate to change this command into something that it is not. If anything you are the monster here for not honoring the time culture and stated command, by superseding what is written with your modern take of what this command would mean in your own corrupt mind/world.

Quote:This has zero, repeat ZERO, to do with socialism, and everything to do with recognizing the humanity of the people on that list... something you and your deity (or at least, the priests claiming to speak for that deity) apparently fail to do.

BS. The command was not to treat people badly who did not measure up. The command was to isolate a few so as to serve a specific task. You in your own warp value system you are the one who assigns special value on one job over another. That is why you can claim this is not about a social value system, but if and when you do use the tool analogy and apply to the people of Israel to being assigned tasks and specific Jobs as God intended (A theme that carries over to the NT in the "one body many parts" Sermon Paul makes in 1 Corth.) then you whole objection gets flushed.

The only time your objection has any merit is in a "I" society or an individualist society where the Part/indivisual is considered to be greater than the whole. Again this is a failed/failing social structure that can not sustain it self more than one or two generations before social collapse reclaims it. Where as "one body many parts" approach has sustained humanity for millennia.

And that's why your a douche. You seem to think your the pinnical of social and physical evolution and everything else is crap. You can't even be bothered to consider any culture or cultural thinking not your own. You just pick and choose bits and pieces to formulate an 'evil strawman' and you try and knock it down.

Wow..... im glad i blocked... you....

(April 25, 2016 at 12:55 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

While I do not care how i land on a social issue I do act with a deep and well regulated conscience.

I am simply the type of person who does what is right no matter what people think. I am and always will do what is right according to God and not what others say or do. I will not be manipulated by emotion nor peer pressure. Nor do I fear punishment or reprisal. I do not back off or back down just because things are hard. I have done things that make people second guess me, and i have done thing people would choose to honor if i shared them, but again it's not about what people think. It's about honoring and following God's will to the limits of my strength and ability.
I believe the word you are looking for is integrity. That is the quality you despise and seem to hate because it is aligned with God and not my fellow man.

If that makes me a sociopath in the kangaroo court of popular opinion then so be it. I'm been call worse by better people than you and yet I still live to tell the tale.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:29 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote: Common I can't be the first to have told you.

It has to do with the definition of the word Holy. It means set apart, with out spot or blemish. If your lance armstrong-ing it like it or not you are with blemish. In the OT God physically set a standard from which we may use to apply or understand the Spiritual standard.

It's called an Analogy. No we are not hand held tools but we are all designed to serve a specific purpose in that way we are Tool Like.

No i have not justified anything. I simply framed a command of God in the social structure in which it was originally given. You in your "horrible thinking" as to remove the original social structure and you apply your own. What is truly horrible is to take an innocent command that subdivides people based on strengths, and weaknesses and apply your own bigotry and hate to change this command into something that it is not. If anything you are the monster here for not honoring the time culture and stated command, by superseding what is written with your modern take of what this command would mean in your own corrupt mind/world.

BS. The command was not to treat people badly who did not measure up. The command was to isolate a few so as to serve a specific task. You in your own warp value system you are the one who assigns special value on one job over another. That is why you can claim this is not about a social value system, but if and when you do use the tool analogy and apply to the people of Israel to being assigned tasks and specific Jobs as God intended (A theme that carries over to the NT in the "one body many parts" Sermon Paul makes in 1 Corth.) then you whole objection gets flushed.

The only time your objection has any merit is in a "I" society or an individualist society where the Part/indivisual is considered to be greater than the whole. Again this is a failed/failing social structure that can not sustain it self more than one or two generations before social collapse reclaims it. Where as "one body many parts" approach has sustained humanity for millennia.

And that's why your a douche. You seem to think your the pinnical of social and physical evolution and everything else is crap. You can't even be bothered to consider any culture or cultural thinking not your own. You just pick and choose bits and pieces to formulate an 'evil strawman' and you try and knock it down.

Wow..... im glad i blocked... you....

which allows you to respond to me... do you know what the word 'blocked' even means?

(April 26, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 12:55 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

While I do not care how i land on a social issue I do act with a deep and well regulated conscience.

I am simply the type of person who does what is right no matter what people think. I am and always will do what is right according to God and not what others say or do. I will not be manipulated by emotion nor peer pressure. Nor do I fear punishment or reprisal. I do not back off or back down just because things are hard. I have done things that make people second guess me, and i have done thing people would choose to honor if i shared them, but again it's not about what people think. It's about honoring and following God's will to the limits of my strength and ability.
I believe the word you are looking for is integrity. That is the quality you despise and seem to hate because it is aligned with God and not my fellow man.

If that makes me a sociopath in the kangaroo court of popular opinion then so be it. I'm been call worse by better people than you and yet I still live to tell the tale.

Whatever. You clearly have a huge ego. I'm guessing you're a bit of a loner regardless of what you tell us on here. Do you talk to people in real life regularly?

(April 26, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 12:55 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

While I do not care how i land on a social issue I do act with a deep and well regulated conscience.

I am simply the type of person who does what is right no matter what people think. I am and always will do what is right according to God and not what others say or do. I will not be manipulated by emotion nor peer pressure. Nor do I fear punishment or reprisal. I do not back off or back down just because things are hard. I have done things that make people second guess me, and i have done thing people would choose to honor if i shared them, but again it's not about what people think. It's about honoring and following God's will to the limits of my strength and ability.
I believe the word you are looking for is integrity. That is the quality you despise and seem to hate because it is aligned with God and not my fellow man.

If that makes me a sociopath in the kangaroo court of popular opinion then so be it. I'm been call worse by better people than you and yet I still live to tell the tale.

LFC - Respectfully, I think you're incorrect. Sociopathy appears to me, from what I've read about it, to be an inborn (epigenetic/genetic/early-childhood) problem, where the person simply fails to develop normal human empathy. 

However, I think it's possible for circumstance or programming, such as religious indoctrination (or, say Communist indoctrination), to destroy a person's natural empathy until they effectively become a sociopath, by hijacking the moral systems of the brain, the way the HIV virus attacks the defensive cells of the immune system. Call it Acquired Indoctrination Develops Sociopathy (or AIDS, for short), perhaps?

[See, douchebag? I do know what an analogy is. Yours simply failed because humans cannot justifiably be called tools under your example.]

It is clear that, just as the homicide bombers in the Mideast think they are doing something highly moral, while the rest of us can see they are depraved lunatics, that this guy's apparent sociopathy is an acquired characteristic. It's so mind-blowing to us who have resisted such indoctrination that we think it must be a personal flaw... but the truth is, we should be rightfully frightened of people like him, who think God is such a horrible douchebag and yet defend it as moral (and may blow us up or deprive us of rights/freedoms in the name of this God), and yet feel nothing but pity for how they came to be that way.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 12:23 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm the douche?!?

Common I can't be the first to have told you.

That would be "Come on," (including the comma). FFS, Drippy, if you're going to insult my intelligence or integrity, at least have the decency to pay attention to your spelling and grammar so you at least approach the English language.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:What in the FUCK could a person's damaged testicles (and before you answer, keep in mind that I am a survivor of testicular cancer, and have had one removed) have to do with their suitability for the priesthood?

It has to do with the definition of the word Holy. It means set apart, with out spot or blemish. If your lance armstrong-ing it like it or not you are with blemish. In the OT God physically set a standard from which we may use to apply or understand the Spiritual standard.

We understand well the ancient Hebrew tribal priests' fascination with unblemished things (virgins captured in war... sheep that can't have spots or stripes, unless of course you're Laban using Lamarckian environmental acquired characteristics hypotheses... et cetera), and are amazed that you'd try to defend that bigoted thinking simply because you credit the words to god rather than to the prejudices of ancient priests in their attempts to figure out how to be holy.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:Finally, humans are not tools, or any other sort of inanimate object.

It's called an Analogy. No we are not hand held tools but we are all designed to serve a specific purpose in that way we are Tool Like.

Hmmm, no. And I understood the analogy you were trying to make (it boggles my mind that in your mind you thought a guy with my level of grammar and education and IQ would somehow miss the fact that you were trying to make an analogy). Just let that sink in for a moment.

And my point was that you failed. Humans are not "designed" for a specific purpose, though I can see why the tribal priests mentioned above might prefer if we all looked at ourselves that way, since it suits their power-hierarchy social structure to promote such a view. And it is CERTAINLY not true that a person who is any of the things on that list would be unable to be holy, unless you want to argue that God made Levite dwarves (etc) only for the purpose of denying them their birthright because he's a jerk-- after all, you assert that this god of yours defines what is holy. Think about what you're saying, man!

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:We are all humans, regardless of what genetic anomalies or diseases we have acquired. The fact that you're capable of justifying that horrible thinking, especially through the excuse you just gave, is disgusting.

No i have not justified anything. I simply framed a command of God in the social structure in which it was originally given. You in your "horrible thinking" as to remove the original social structure and you apply your own. What is truly horrible is to take an innocent command that subdivides people based on strengths, and weaknesses and apply your own bigotry and hate to change this command into something that it is not. If anything you are the monster here for not honoring the time culture and stated command, by superseding what is written with your modern take of what this command would mean in your own corrupt mind/world.

And this is why I said you have Acquired Sociopathy from your religion, in my address to LFC, above. I have no bigotry and hate, though I can see why you'd need to Project it onto me in order to defend your own. I am the one who is arguing that all men and women can be holy, and potentially (if not actually, because of personality or intellect, etc.) qualified for the priesthood, without the artificial subdivisions your OT imposes. As to the final sentences about "honoring the time culture", I just want to say:

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!? There is nothing honorable about those sentences, even (especially?) allowing for the "time culture".

1) I know an enormous amount about ancient cultures, in particularly the ancient Greek and Hebrew ones that have had so much impact on Western culture, because I was a history minor, because I like to read, and because I grew up in a fundamentalist church which spent a LOT of its time talking about the Hebrew cultural basis for Christianity.

2) You're claiming god's morality is a permanent, fixed thing. And so you're stuck defending what is obvious bigotry in the ancient world, instead of thanking your god that we've moved past the point in human history when we thought things like dwarfism were curses from the gods, and thus unclean/unholy/etc. Well, most of us have moved past. For you to denigrate three thousand years of human social progress shows us where your programming has forever rooted you.

(April 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:This has zero, repeat ZERO, to do with socialism, and everything to do with recognizing the humanity of the people on that list... something you and your deity (or at least, the priests claiming to speak for that deity) apparently fail to do.

BS. The command was not to treat people badly who did not measure up. The command was to isolate a few so as to serve a specific task. You in your own warp value system you are the one who assigns special value on one job over another. That is why you can claim this is not about a social value system, but if and when you do use the tool analogy and apply to the people of Israel to being assigned tasks and specific Jobs as God intended (A theme that carries over to the NT in the "one body many parts" Sermon Paul makes in 1 Corth.) then you whole objection gets flushed.

The only time your objection has any merit is in a "I" society or an individualist society where the Part/indivisual is considered to be greater than the whole. Again this is a failed/failing social structure that can not sustain it self more than one or two generations before social collapse reclaims it. Where as "one body many parts" approach has sustained humanity for millennia.

And that's why your a douche. You seem to think your the pinnical of social and physical evolution and everything else is crap. You can't even be bothered to consider any culture or cultural thinking not your own. You just pick and choose bits and pieces to formulate an 'evil strawman' and you try and knock it down.

warped* value system

your* whole objection

Part/individual* (that one appears to be an honest typo)

you're* a douche

pinnacle* of social and physical evolution

Geezus, man. When you attack someone for not being smart (or wise) enough to consider your argument's validity, at least focus on your argument's readability. And fuck you for saying I can't be bothered to consider other cultures. You and I can understand Muslim culture (as well as anyone in the West can, anyway), and still loathe the elements of it that use their religion to blow up marathons/cafes/kids/etc. Just as you can look at the Muslims, understand what their claims really are (I don't know if you actually do or not, I'm just presuming you do for the sake of this discussion), and still see right through their bullshit when they try to tell you why the Revealed Holy Qur'an says such-and-such is okay... well, I see you the same way.

Drich Wrote:then you do not understand the definition of the word.

Self righteousness come from with in one's self.

My righteousness comes from Christ.

An example of 'self righteousness' means to identify what is 'right' apart from God. meaning you find 'moral authority' with in your self or a like minded culture.

I don't use the term as a insult but to describe where one derives his moral authority. Which is in conflict to how most of you use the term and is why you feel you have found a bit of irony when infact you have not.

You are the narcissist to which to measure all other narcissists, you know that?

(April 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(April 26, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote: While I do not care how i land on a social issue I do act with a deep and well regulated conscience.

I am simply the type of person who does what is right no matter what people think. I am and always will do what is right according to God and not what others say or do. I will not be manipulated by emotion nor peer pressure. Nor do I fear punishment or reprisal. I do not back off or back down just because things are hard. I have done things that make people second guess me, and i have done thing people would choose to honor if i shared them, but again it's not about what people think. It's about honoring and following God's will to the limits of my strength and ability.
I believe the word you are looking for is integrity. That is the quality you despise and seem to hate because it is aligned with God and not my fellow man.

If that makes me a sociopath in the kangaroo court of popular opinion then so be it. I'm been call worse by better people than you and yet I still live to tell the tale.

Whatever. You clearly have a huge ego. I'm guessing you're a bit of a loner regardless of what you tell us on here. Do you talk to people in real life regularly?

Actually God has given me the gift of being a rather dynamic speaker. I gave a 5 mins speech yesterday at my dads 30 year retirement party, and people i did not know laughed hard, and at the end their was not a dry eye in the house. I was asked to speak on the spot. I planned nothing and I just shot straight off the cuff. I can speak to a single person or to 1000 (have done in national conventions) it makes no difference to me. I've been told I have the rare gift of being able to bring the group I talking with in and make the discussion personable. Because of this I have been asked several times to teach, train others, and even deliver bad news on the spot.

why because I am genuine. I don't pretend to be something that I am not, and I do not fear nor need people's approval to says what I have to say if their is point or purpose to saying it. If I believe in what I am doing or speaking on then I have no issue doing my job. No matter what that might be.