(April 26, 2016 at 1:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1260192' dateline='1461688830']

While I do not care how i land on a social issue I do act with a deep and well regulated conscience.

I am simply the type of person who does what is right no matter what people think. I am and always will do what is right according to God and not what others say or do. I will not be manipulated by emotion nor peer pressure. Nor do I fear punishment or reprisal. I do not back off or back down just because things are hard. I have done things that make people second guess me, and i have done thing people would choose to honor if i shared them, but again it's not about what people think. It's about honoring and following God's will to the limits of my strength and ability.
I believe the word you are looking for is integrity. That is the quality you despise and seem to hate because it is aligned with God and not my fellow man.

If that makes me a sociopath in the kangaroo court of popular opinion then so be it. I'm been call worse by better people than you and yet I still live to tell the tale.

Quote:LFC - Respectfully, I think you're incorrect. Sociopathy appears to me, from what I've read about it, to be an inborn (epigenetic/genetic/early-childhood) problem, where the person simply fails to develop normal human empathy. 

TRS-Respectfully (or not )You are incorrect. Sociopathy is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. Rather no sense of right or wrong, and can act without remorse. One can feel empathy, they are simply not bound to act on it.

Quote:However, I think it's possible for circumstance or programming, such as religious indoctrination (or, say Communist indoctrination), to destroy a person's natural empathy until they effectively become a sociopath, by hijacking the moral systems of the brain, the way the HIV virus attacks the defensive cells of the immune system. Call it Acquired Indoctrination Develops Sociopathy (or AIDS, for short), perhaps?

lol You are saying all communists are sociopaths? You do know that represents about 1/2 the planet's population right? This is what makes you a douche. Again, you think your moral values are absolute. Meaning you think your right is universally right and your wrong is universally wrong. 1/2 the world's population would disagree.

Because in order for you to be right and all communists to be sociopaths, your value system would indeed have to be absolute and they would have to be willingly violating this universal right and wrong to favor their indoctrination as you put it.

How about this sport.. Let's maybe consider for a moment your pop morality only represents maybe 1/4 to 1/8 of the world's population. meaning your right and wrong are not the right and wrongs communists consider to be moral. Meaning they have their own value system. If they have their own morality then a communists who abides with in the value system is not a sociopath moron, he is just of a different culture! One that happens to be in the majority of values this planet operates under.

It's funny to see you argue from a position of moral absolutes when you've done so much to wash yourself from it.

Quote:[See, douchebag? I do know what an analogy is. Yours simply failed because humans cannot justifiably be called tools under your example.]

You don't know how analogies work either... cute. look here sport and I might could learn you sumthin.
All I have to do to make an analogy is tie one aspect.. just one aspect of (in this case a tool) to humanity and the analogy is legit. you can't make a sweeping dismissal on your 'say so.' In my tool analogy I tied multiple aspects between tools and humanity, I even quoted 1cor where it was expanded. This is an analogy found in scripture to explain our various roles in the church, and in service to God in the New and Old Testament. Like it or not sport the analogy stands.

Quote:It is clear that, just as the homicide bombers in the Mideast think they are doing something highly moral, while the rest of us can see they are depraved lunatics, that this guy's apparent sociopathy is an acquired characteristic. It's so mind-blowing to us who have resisted such indoctrination that we think it must be a personal flaw... but the truth is, we should be rightfully frightened of people like him, who think God is such a horrible douchebag and yet defend it as moral (and may blow us up or deprive us of rights/freedoms in the name of this God), and yet feel nothing but pity for how they came to be that way.

Again not a sociopath issue. This is a societal issue. for them this is no different than a soldier sacrificing himself to strike down his enemy.

Dripshit, you are embarrassing yourself again.  But don't worry about the OP.  Because while flat-noses may be out, brown-nosing little jesus shits like you are definitely in!


Your fucking god has no class at all.

(April 27, 2016 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Whatever. You clearly have a huge ego. I'm guessing you're a bit of a loner regardless of what you tell us on here. Do you talk to people in real life regularly?

Actually God has given me the gift of being a rather dynamic speaker. I gave a 5 mins speech yesterday at my dads 30 year retirement party, and people i did not know laughed hard, and at the end their was not a dry eye in the house. I was asked to speak on the spot. I planned nothing and I just shot straight off the cuff. I can speak to a single person or to 1000 (have done in national conventions) it makes no difference to me. I've been told I have the rare gift of being able to bring the group I talking with in and make the discussion personable. Because of this I have been asked several times to teach, train others, and even deliver bad news on the spot.

why because I am genuine. I don't pretend to be something that I am not, and I do not fear nor need people's approval to says what I have to say if their is point or purpose to saying it. If I believe in what I am doing or speaking on then I have no issue doing my job. No matter what that might be.

That's not quite what I meant but I enjoyed reading your ego stroking self assessment about how magnificent you are.

I meant do you hold onto friendships where you converse and interact with them regularly, instead of, you know, just talking at people?

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: TRS-Respectfully (or not )You are incorrect. Sociopathy is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. Rather no sense of right or wrong, and can act without remorse. One can feel empathy, they are simply not bound to act on it.

Yeah, technically it's called "Antisocial Personality Disorder", and is more complex than I was making it out for the sake of a simple argument. However, I've read quite a bit about it (I was trying to understand the behavior of the high percentage of sociopaths around me, at the time), and I'll summarize from the Psychology Today article about it:

"The severity of symptoms of antisocial personality disorder can vary in severity. The more egregious, harmful, or dangerous behavior patterns are referred to as sociopathic or psychopathic. There has been much debate as to the distinction between these descriptions. Sociopathy is chiefly characterized as a something severely wrong with one's conscience; psychopathy is characterized as a complete lack of conscience regarding others. Some professionals describe people with this constellation of symptoms as "stone cold" to the rights of others."

Emphasis my own. This is why we keep calling you that.

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: lol You are saying all communists are sociopaths? You do know that represents about 1/2 the planet's population right? This is what makes you a douche. Again, you think your moral values are absolute. Meaning you think your right is universally right and your wrong is universally wrong. 1/2 the world's population would disagree.

Because in order for you to be right and all communists to be sociopaths, your value system would indeed have to be absolute and they would have to be willingly violating this universal right and wrong to favor their indoctrination as you put it.

Wait, where exactly did I say that? Nor did I say all Christians are. I am saying that it is possible for a program of indoctrination, such as communism or Christianity for example, to erode a person who naturally respects the rights of others and empathizes with them until they treat others who are different from what the program says is "okay" with a level of contempt that is indistinguishable from sociopathic behavior.

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: How about this sport.. Let's maybe consider for a moment your pop morality only represents maybe 1/4 to 1/8 of the world's population. meaning your right and wrong are not the right and wrongs communists consider to be moral. Meaning they have their own value system. If they have their own morality then a communists who abides with in the value system is not a sociopath moron, he is just of a different culture! One that happens to be in the majority of values this planet operates under.

It's funny to see you argue from a position of moral absolutes when you've done so much to wash yourself from it.

Respect for the inherent humanity and inherent dignity of all your fellow human beings (even and especially those who are very different from myself), and allowing them the maximum possible liberty under that recognition (provided they do no harm to others) is a Humanistic value, and I have never said otherwise. There is no such thing as a moral absolute, and I have never said otherwise. I can, however, tag you as a douchebag for your willingness to ignore the growing recognition, which you label "pop morality", that all people are entitled to Equal Protection and equal value as human beings.

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: You don't know how analogies work either... cute. look here sport and I might could learn you sumthin.
All I have to do to make an analogy is tie one aspect.. just one aspect of (in this case a tool) to humanity and the analogy is legit. you can't make a sweeping dismissal on your 'say so.' In my tool analogy I tied multiple aspects between tools and humanity, I even quoted 1cor where it was expanded. This is an analogy found in scripture to explain our various roles in the church, and in service to God in the New and Old Testament. Like it or not sport the analogy stands.

And thaaaaaaaaaaaat's why I said I'm sure the priests who established your religious system were in favor of a stratified, hierarchical set of roles for all the people beneath them, with them established as "the most holy/pure". But humans are not tools, and it is a failed analogy. People are just people, complex and varied, and have many tools... you can have a person who is a pastor on the weekend and also an amazing science teacher during the week. You can have a person who is a Jack-of-all-trades, and has skill at nearly everything. What you cannot have is a person who is disqualified from a role they are otherwise capable of filling because of a simple deformity, disease, or "blemish". That's unique to religious thinkers, and is in defiance of everything I stand for as an American. You can justify your shit any way you want, but it still stinks.

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: Again not a sociopath issue. This is a societal issue. for them this is no different than a soldier sacrificing himself to strike down his enemy.

My point is that their actions are indistinguishable from those of a natural-born sociopath, as a result of the religious indoctrination they received which tells them that those who are different from them are not worthy of protection, but of pain and death. It is indeed societal, and religion is the major part of that society which does the eroding of natural human empathy. That's why we refer to the meme that is called Christianity (and religion in general) on occasion as a "virus", because of the way it hijacks other software/memes that operate on our hardware.

(April 27, 2016 at 12:34 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: Actually God has given me the gift of being a rather dynamic speaker. I gave a 5 mins speech yesterday at my dads 30 year retirement party, and people i did not know laughed hard, and at the end their was not a dry eye in the house. I was asked to speak on the spot. I planned nothing and I just shot straight off the cuff. I can speak to a single person or to 1000 (have done in national conventions) it makes no difference to me. I've been told I have the rare gift of being able to bring the group I talking with in and make the discussion personable. Because of this I have been asked several times to teach, train others, and even deliver bad news on the spot.

why because I am genuine. I don't pretend to be something that I am not, and I do not fear nor need people's approval to says what I have to say if their is point or purpose to saying it. If I believe in what I am doing or speaking on then I have no issue doing my job. No matter what that might be.

That's not quite what I meant but I enjoyed reading your ego stroking self assessment about how magnificent you are.

I meant do you hold onto friendships where you converse and interact with them regularly, instead of, you know, just talking at people?

At the risk of more ego stroking have 3 friendships that have lasted over 20 years (one since 89/freshmen year in HS.) plus my wife/15 years. plus 'project people' that I help out when and where I can. Some of them I've known for 10 or more years. Then 3 employees for less than 5 (we've been on camping and fishing trips together)

It's a small group, but we all consider quality of friendship is better than quantity of relationships.

Re the OP:

That has got to be disheartening to all the xtian brown nosers like Drich.

(April 27, 2016 at 2:01 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 12:34 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: That's not quite what I meant but I enjoyed reading your ego stroking self assessment about how magnificent you are.

I meant do you hold onto friendships where you converse and interact with them regularly, instead of, you know, just talking at people?

At the risk of more ego stroking have 3 friendships that have lasted over 20 years (one since 89/freshmen year in HS.) plus my wife/15 years. plus 'project people' that I help out when and where I can. Some of them I've known for 10 or more years. Then 3 employees for less than 5 (we've been on camping and fishing trips together)

It's a small group, but we all consider quality of friendship is better than quantity of relationships.

What are "project people" exactly?

Quote:(we've been on camping and fishing trips together)

Cue the theme from Deliverance!

(April 27, 2016 at 1:39 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: TRS-Respectfully (or not )You are incorrect. Sociopathy is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. Rather no sense of right or wrong, and can act without remorse. One can feel empathy, they are simply not bound to act on it.

Yeah, technically it's called "Antisocial Personality Disorder", and is more complex than I was making it out for the sake of a simple argument. However, I've read quite a bit about it (I was trying to understand the behavior of the high percentage of sociopaths around me, at the time), and I'll summarize from the Psychology Today article about it:

"The severity of symptoms of antisocial personality disorder can vary in severity. The more egregious, harmful, or dangerous behavior patterns are referred to as sociopathic or psychopathic. There has been much debate as to the distinction between these descriptions. Sociopathy is chiefly characterized as a something severely wrong with one's conscience; psychopathy is characterized as a complete lack of conscience regarding others. Some professionals describe people with this constellation of symptoms as "stone cold" to the rights of others."

Emphasis my own. This is why we keep calling you that.

And Again the objection I have is what you identify as a 'right' more often than not isn't one.
spaking for instance. No where in the United states is it illegal to spank your child.
And it is not legal in all 50 states for transgender people to use the 'wrong' bathroom.
A right is a universal freedom guaranteed by the government. Everything I have argued is indeed sanctioned by the current laws. So if your defination requires a complete disregaurd of other people and their rights, then an honest assessment would exclude me from your 'professional' diagnosis.

Quote:Wait, where exactly did I say that? Nor did I say all Christians are. I am saying that it is possible for a program of indoctrination, such as communism or Christianity for example, to erode a person who naturally respects the rights of others and empathizes with them until they treat others who are different from what the program says is "okay" with a level of contempt that is indistinguishable from sociopathic behavior.

Which can be true in say a republic where a 'douche' is so intent on arguing for something like the ablity for a man to put on a dress and go into the wrong bathroom he can "erode a person who naturally respects the rights of others and empathizes with them until they treat others who are different from what the program says is "okay" with a level of contempt that is indistinguishable from sociopathic behavior." Meaning those people are willing to put the vast majority of the social populace in danger for their own contempt for 'traditional decency.'

Quote:Respect for the inherent humanity and inherent dignity of all your fellow human beings (even and especially those who are very different from myself), and allowing them the maximum possible liberty under that recognition (provided they do no harm to others) is a Humanistic value, and I have never said otherwise. There is no such thing as a moral absolute, and I have never said otherwise. I can, however, tag you as a douchebag for your willingness to ignore the growing recognition, which you label "pop morality", that all people are entitled to Equal Protection and equal value as human beings.

apparently not. apparently 1% of the population gets to dictate a 'modified level of protection' on the off chance they want to use the wrong bathroom in public. This behavior literally allows 1% of the population putting their own "Antisocial Personality Disorder" ahead of the wellfare of the hundreds of millions of other people, and yet when one challenges this NON-Right that person is charged with being the sociopath... How meesed up is your mind that you can not see what is going on in front of you?

Your definition requires a moral standard (A right) to be circumvented with no regaurd to those in whom this circumvention will hurt.

We have a federal right to privacy and a reasonable expectation of safety when we go into a public bathroom. This is a mandate that all public business and facilities are mandated to provide. that is why one can sue if they are not provided with bathroom access or if our privacy has been compromised. This is a standing right in the US. However this right has been circumvented by allowing the opposite sex access to the wrong bathroom. This demand by the LBGT community has absolutely no regaurd, or should I say shows contempt to all who oppose cross gender access...

Yet with your great powers of reasoning and deduction you seem to be focused on calling those who oppose the implication of this NON-right being forced on the community Sociopaths while the group of people who actually fit the literal definition gets your support.

And that is why i call you douche bag.

Quote:And thaaaaaaaaaaaat's why I said I'm sure the priests who established your religious system were in favor of a stratified, hierarchical set of roles for all the people beneath them, with them established as "the most holy/pure". But humans are not tools, and it is a failed analogy.

Incongruent statement.
You first identify my use of an analogy describing humans as having tool like qualities/different roles. Then you make an incorrect/strawman statement that restates my position as being Humans are tools.

If you are still confused as to the nature of how analogy works please look at my last posts directed to you that explains all of this. If however you are trying to primitive word game, rest your arguement and try again as I am not playing.

Till then the point I made stands and the rest of your drivel based on your straw man is dismissed:

Quote: People are just people, complex and varied, and have many tools... you can have a person who is a pastor on the weekend and also an amazing science teacher during the week. You can have a person who is a Jack-of-all-trades, and has skill at nearly everything. What you cannot have is a person who is disqualified from a role they are otherwise capable of filling because of a simple deformity, disease, or "blemish". That's unique to religious thinkers, and is in defiance of everything I stand for as an American. You can justify your shit any way you want, but it still stinks.

Quote:My point is that their actions are indistinguishable from those of a natural-born sociopath, as a result of the religious indoctrination they received which tells them that those who are different from them are not worthy of protection, but of pain and death. It is indeed societal, and religion is the major part of that society which does the eroding of natural human empathy. That's why we refer to the meme that is called Christianity (and religion in general) on occasion as a "virus", because of the way it hijacks other software/memes that operate on our hardware.

And my point is you observation is a double edged sword and it applies to you via the definition you yourself provided more than it does me.

(April 27, 2016 at 2:04 pm)The_Empress Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 2:01 pm)Drich Wrote: At the risk of more ego stroking have 3 friendships that have lasted over 20 years (one since 89/freshmen year in HS.) plus my wife/15 years. plus 'project people' that I help out when and where I can. Some of them I've known for 10 or more years. Then 3 employees for less than 5 (we've been on camping and fishing trips together)

It's a small group, but we all consider quality of friendship is better than quantity of relationships.

What are "project people" exactly?

People I help with various life projects...

One guy is 60 and has regressed mentally to 16... not a modern 16 but a 16year old when he was originally 16. And he live with his mom till she finally kicked him out last year. So i work with him. I give him projects to do like hold a job for 6 months and then we will do something he likes, or I will help him fix something.

Another guy is having problems with his married life, and I help him break down basic fundemental marriage stuff into little manageable pieces and he does those. we have coffee every week and he updates me on what works/what he did and did not do.

I had maybe 1/2 dozen people on line I've help with their spiritual needs over the years. (long term/years of correspondence.) All of which was broken up into small projects for them to complete.

what did you think I meant?