(May 12, 2016 at 2:48 am)robvalue Wrote: We understand that you think "atheists" are some kind of group rather than just individual people with no affiliation to each other.

I didn't say atheist were organized in an effort to sell children into sexual slavery. I'm saying that birds of a feather flock together. Since Christians are not envolved in selling children into sexual slavery, then the birds must by necessity be unbelievers.

GC

(May 12, 2016 at 3:02 am)robvalue Wrote: I mean... would this be a sensible thing to say:

"Did you know almost 100% of murders are comitted by people who don't believe in the tooth fairy."

If it's not, then any general statement involving atheists is just as silly.

 That's the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard. You need to remember this, I never said all atheist and, I believe the majority of atheist would never be involved in the sex trade, that would be as ridiculous as your comparison. What I'm saying is it takes a depraved mind to do such a thing one with no absolute moral base, to guide them. Those without a an absolute moral standard can justify anything they do by just changing to a different moral standard.

GC

So you have no actual data to back this assertion, and instead have made it based on your own (incorrect) assumptions about atheists and what kind of people they are.


94% of child molesters are religious people according to the Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study, you stupid fuck. The same goes for the American prison population (less than 1% of which is atheist, as opposed to 15 to 20% of free people).


Atheism is not correlated with an increase in delinquent behavior; religion is. That's not to say that religion causes delinquent behavior directly (since correlation does not imply causation), but it does definitively show that lack of religious belief cannot be a common cause of criminal or socially unacceptable activity.

(May 13, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 12, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What's your evidence for this?

 Think about it, do you really believe that those who believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong that we would actually promote the sex trade. Yes, I know there are Christians that watch porn, that have affairs, and some who abuse children, these are the exceptions and not the main stream of Christians. The Christian church works to rescue those sold into slavery and travel around the world to do so. The church works to promote education against the sex slave trade and as far as I know was the first organization to take serious action against it. Now states like mine are involved in stopping the sex slave trade, we have some of the toughest laws against it and they will pay dearly when caught practicing the sex trade. The Christian church in it's efforts to stop the sex trade has influenced others to stop it. So with this understanding who's left to promote the sex slave trade..... unbelievers are the only choice, there only two sides to this and the Christians as a whole fight against it.

GC

Well it's nice to see you are pulling your evidence from the same place you pulled your assertion, namely your ass. Even if some Christians oppose the sex trade, there's still plenty in absolute numbers to support it. You neglect the fact that Christians outnumber atheists by a wide margin. This is an example of the base rate fallacy in which you overlook the relative abundance of a phenomenon in calculating odds about it. So even if your rationalizations had some basis in reality, they'd still be wrong.

(May 13, 2016 at 2:16 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 12, 2016 at 2:48 am)robvalue Wrote: We understand that you think "atheists" are some kind of group rather than just individual people with no affiliation to each other.

I didn't say atheist were organized in an effort to sell children into sexual slavery. I'm saying that birds of a feather flock together. Since Christians are not envolved in selling children into sexual slavery, then the birds must by necessity be unbelievers.

GC

GC, I like you as a person, and have a good deal of respect for you. But, that was easily one of the most ridiculously naive statements I have ever witnessed anyone make on these entire forums. You should be embarrassed that you've allowed yourself get to caught up in tit-for-tat and one-upsmanship to the point of being willing to post such ignorant musings, just to feel vindicated.

(May 13, 2016 at 2:06 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 12, 2016 at 1:14 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Typical.  You didn't address the question.  You simply launched into an ad hominem attack, followed by a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.  

 Typical, NTS are these answers, no just the rant of those who can't argue a post. I'm telling you once again that I made statements about me and how I differ from some. Why didn't you address the statement I made about you and the Holy Spirit and then criticize others, did the statement need this, then here it is ?

GC

Why don't you tell me how a person, raised Christian, baptized in a Southern Baptist Church at the age of 7, went to church 3x per week plus Sunday School and Vacation Bible School and Choir Practice, attended a Protestant Christian School, memorized the Bible daily, and prayed daily for over 40 years to feel something - anything - never experienced the "Holy Spirit" in any way?  
   C'mon.  Tell me I was never a Christian.  Tell me I read the Bible the "wrong" way.  Tell me I never learned to pray properly.  

And you have still completely ignored my other question.  If the Holy Spirit provides guidance to anyone who is studying the scriptures prayerfully, why are there so many conflicting interpretations of scripture within the Protestant Church, and how can you judge any pastor who disagrees with your interpretation to be "wrong" and not hearing the Holy Spirit.  The verses either mean what they say, or they don't.  If the Holy Spirit is guiding, he's giving different information to everyone he guides.  This isn't guidance.  This is deliberate creation of anarchy and chaos.

I'm expecting more judgment and insults . . . you'll say I was wrong, they were wrong, we're all stupid and deluded, then you'll stick your nose in the air and go tell your friends how you told off those stupid atheists.

What does a depraved mind have to do with atheism, and why is it you think that any given atheist doesn't have an absolute moral base in the first place?  

Why backpedal if you're just going to reassert yourself in an equally ludicrous way? Would you be interested in some facts, regarding the sex trade and religious affiliation...or maybe some facts regarding atheism and atheists.......or would you rather continue to expose yourself as a useless christian bigot, GC?

I'd be interested to see if you could find a -single- example of a person who casually abandons and assumes moral standards - atheist or otherwise, btw...-that- would really be something.

(May 13, 2016 at 2:36 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So you have no actual data to back this assertion, and instead have made it based on your own (incorrect) assumptions about atheists and what kind of people they are.


94% of child molesters are religious people according to the Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study, you stupid fuck. The same goes for the American prison population (less than 1% of which is atheist, as opposed to 15 to 20% of free people).


Atheism is not correlated with an increase in delinquent behavior; religion is. That's not to say that religion causes delinquent behavior directly (since correlation does not imply causation), but it does definitively show that lack of religious belief cannot be a common cause of criminal or socially unacceptable activity.

Actually, there is a new study just published by Dr. Elicka Peterson Sparks that shows a correlation between fundamentalist christian beliefs and criminal behavior.  She shows definite data and lists reasons why the American cities with the highest crime rates are also the ones with a church building on every corner.  Of particular interest was the use of some of Robert Altemeyer's work on the measurement of authoritarian attitudes.  It's a very well-written and well-researched book, (although a few pastors who left positive reviews took issue with her interpretation of a Bible verse or two).  It's a good read, I highly recommend it.  http://www.amazon.com/Devil-You-Know-Con...1633881504

A correlation which shouldn't surprise anyone.  Christian theology offers a ready made explanation for criminality.  Born that way, due to a generational curse.  Bonus...you can sling just one more key before you come to god and have all forgiven. It's a religion of scapegoaters who absolve themselves of personal responsibility for their degenerate behavior and believe in divine amnesty. OFC there's a bunch of fucking criminals in it.

GC, I think you need to back away from that one. The correct biblical category for sexual slavers would be the wicked or unrighteous, not unbelievers.