(May 27, 2016 at 7:10 am)Cato Wrote: Stupid Poe. Nobody is this fucking dumb.

Yeah - that's what I thought at first. But then I remembered Little Rik... This here reads exactly like what Rik would be posting, if he could express himself in words, rather than emoji and fart noises...

The universe exists just fine without any God interfering.
Adding an extra agent into the mix is unnecessarily complex and achieves nothing other than to act as a security blanket for those who need one.

Nobody is capable of dishing out afterlives, irrespective of what you want to call him, sorry...

(May 27, 2016 at 5:52 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: OK, fine. But tell me - is bullsh*t a state of being? Is "made-up", or fictional a state of being? Because if so - god is all those things. The thing is - we actually have proof, that god can be an imaginary being - but no proof of god in ANY OTHER STATE.
Also, if god is everything - is he/she/it also things you hate? And if so - does that mean you hate god?
What about Satan? Is a fallen angel a state of being? Seems like it is - so god must be Satan...

Word-games are fun.

Bullshit is a moment in which you think a thing is such, you are expressing a state of disbelief, thats all.
Made up or fiction in the sense of your imagination? Since science is slowly discovering that the brain doesn't create consciousness, then that implies matter is the expression of the mind. Consciousness is what the mind can grasp. If you like i can link you to a case where a neurosurgeon went into a coma for a week, lost the function of his [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex][/url]prefrontal cortex and most of his brain and still had awareness he described vividly as ultra-real, more real this this reality

You can hate yourself at times, apply that to god. Easy isnt it ^^

Satan is biblical. You know i dont think any of you are in any way aware that there are religions outside Christianity. In no way do i believe what books about god say, they're irrelevant, period. Satan is a character from a book. Religion is not the only belief that's worth discussing just because when you think god in the west, you think Jesus. However whether you belief in god or not, you're still correct in being an athiest or jew or what ever because when you die, you wake up to it all anyway in another dimension. What proof of this is there? 

Book: Pim van Lommel - consciousness beyond life
book: wilder penfield mystery of the mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88s6HHkbh84

Quote:"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all.

Quote:LOL... That's only because you defined god as "everything", with no evidence. You just made it up (or someone made it up for you) - and I'm supposed to justify my belief in anything, in relation to that? Guess what - we already have a term for "everything". And it's NOT "god"

Or, you could expand the definition to encompass a new deeper meaning

Quote:For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.

Sure, but even if you believe in god - there's still no actual evidence, that there is one out there.

check the links above

Quote: What has been proven is actually that this universe is a simulation.

LOL... No, it hasn't been proven. Where did you even get that idea. Are you making this up as you go along?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY

Quote: But i do believe in fairies, fairies are just beings living in other dimensions that you can witness with drugs or an already accepting mind

In other words - they're bullsh*t. Just like god. And I'm not even going to ask you about evidence for those "other dimensions", because it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

That's pretty rude, just because you havent read or seen what i have, now what ever i bring up to present to you is going to bs, because you dont know of it in the first place. How very logical of you [/quote]

I do have some new evidence, I'm not sure if it helps this case or not.

There's a bird outside my door which keeps singing a little ditsy which sounds eerily like a snippet from Balrog's music, 0:37 - 0:40

It's done it several times today. It can't be a coincidence, and I've heard it sing like this before. Has it heard me humming? Is it birdy Balrog? Is it taunting me? What's going on!

https://youtu.be/6hoDLFKoqyk

(May 27, 2016 at 5:52 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: OK, fine. But tell me - is bullsh*t a state of being? Is "made-up", or fictional a state of being? Because if so - god is all those things. The thing is - we actually have proof, that god can be an imaginary being - but no proof of god in ANY OTHER STATE.
Also, if god is everything - is he/she/it also things you hate? And if so - does that mean you hate god?
What about Satan? Is a fallen angel a state of being? Seems like it is - so god must be Satan...

Word-games are fun.

Bullshit is a moment in which you think a thing is such, you are expressing a state of disbelief, thats all.
Made up or fiction in the sense of your imagination? Since science is slowly discovering that the brain doesn't create consciousness, then that implies matter is the expression of the mind. Consciousness is what the mind can grasp. If you like i can link you to a case where a neurosurgeon went into a coma for a week, lost the function of his [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex][/url]prefrontal cortex and most of his brain and still had awareness he described vividly as ultra-real, more real this this reality

You can hate yourself at times, apply that to god. Easy isnt it ^^

Satan is biblical. You know i dont think any of you are in any way aware that there are religions outside Christianity. In no way do i believe what books about god say, they're irrelevant, period. Satan is a character from a book. Religion is not the only belief that's worth discussing just because when you think god in the west, you think Jesus. However whether you belief in god or not, you're still correct in being an athiest or jew or what ever because when you die, you wake up to it all anyway in another dimension. What proof of this is there? 

Book: Pim van Lommel - consciousness beyond life
book: wilder penfield mystery of the mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88s6HHkbh84

Quote:"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all.

Quote:LOL... That's only because you defined god as "everything", with no evidence. You just made it up (or someone made it up for you) - and I'm supposed to justify my belief in anything, in relation to that? Guess what - we already have a term for "everything". And it's NOT "god"

Or, you could expand the definition to encompass a new deeper meaning

Quote:For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.

Sure, but even if you believe in god - there's still no actual evidence, that there is one out there.

check the links above

Quote:What has been proven is actually that this universe is a simulation.

LOL... No, it hasn't been proven. Where did you even get that idea. Are you making this up as you go along?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY

Quote:But i do believe in fairies, fairies are just beings living in other dimensions that you can witness with drugs or an already accepting mind

In other words - they're bullsh*t. Just like god. And I'm not even going to ask you about evidence for those "other dimensions", because it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

That's pretty rude, just because you havent read or seen what i have, now what ever i bring up to present to you is going to bs, because you dont know of it in the first place. How very logical of you [/quote]

Quote:Homeless Nutter
OK, fine. But tell me - is bullsh*t a state of being? Is "made-up", or fictional a state of being? Because if so - god is all those things. The thing is - we actually have proof, that god can be an imaginary being - but no proof of god in ANY OTHER STATE.
Also, if god is everything - is he/she/it also things you hate? And if so - does that mean you hate god?
What about Satan? Is a fallen angel a state of being? Seems like it is - so god must be Satan...

Bullshit is a moment in which you think a thing is such, you are expressing a state of disbelief, thats all.
Made up or fiction in the sense of your imagination? Since science is slowly discovering that the brain doesn't create consciousness, then that implies matter is the expression of the mind. Consciousness is what the mind can grasp. If you like i can link you to a case where a neurosurgeon went into a coma for a week, lost the function of his prefrontal cortex and most of his brain and still had awareness he described vividly as ultra-real, more real this this reality

You can hate yourself at times, apply that to god. Easy isnt it ^^

Satan is biblical. You know i dont think any of you are in any way aware that there are religions outside Christianity. In no way do i believe what books about god say, they're irrelevant, period. Satan is a character from a book. Religion is not the only belief that's worth discussing just because when you think god in the west, you think Jesus. However whether you belief in god or not, you're still correct in being an athiest or jew or what ever because when you die, you wake up to it all anyway in another dimension. What proof of this is there? 

Book: Pim van Lommel - consciousness beyond life
book: wilder penfield mystery of the mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88s6HHkbh84

Quote:"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all.

Quote:LOL... That's only because you defined god as "everything", with no evidence. You just made it up (or someone made it up for you) - and I'm supposed to justify my belief in anything, in relation to that? Guess what - we already have a term for "everything". And it's NOT "god"

Or, you could expand the definition to encompass a new deeper meaning

Once you find that the material does not confine consciousness, but is only a mechanism for consciousness to flow and experience through, only then does it become obvious that the universe is an ocean of thought

Quote:For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.

Sure, but even if you believe in god - there's still no actual evidence, that there is one out there.

check the links above

Quote:What has been proven is actually that this universe is a simulation.

LOL... No, it hasn't been proven. Where did you even get that idea. Are you making this up as you go along?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY

Quote:But i do believe in fairies, fairies are just beings living in other dimensions that you can witness with drugs or an already accepting mind

In other words - they're bullsh*t. Just like god. And I'm not even going to ask you about evidence for those "other dimensions", because it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

That's pretty rude, just because you havent read or seen what i have, now what ever i bring up to present to you is going to bs, because you dont know of it in the first place. How very logical of you

Hmmm. Do you have a brother and his name is little rik? Lel, poe.

Ok...at this point, I'm gonna go ahead and reject your definition of god. It is vague, useless, and dishonest, and it does not comport with how experts or laymen use that word. You're basically a pantheist, and if everything is god, then effectively nothing is. The Universe is just the Universe. There is no need to call it god, and the only reason you're doing that is in an attempt to assign your personal god's qualities to the Universe. If you want me to believe the Universe thinks, can talk to me, has a plan for me, then I'll need to see some evidence. Until then, you're just asserting things.

(May 27, 2016 at 8:12 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Ok...at this point, I'm gonna go ahead and reject your definition of god. It is vague, useless, and dishonest, and it does not comport with how experts or laymen use that word. You're basically a pantheist, and if everything is god, then effectively nothing is. The Universe is just the Universe. There is no need to call it god, and the only reason you're doing that is in an attempt to assign your personal god's qualities to the Universe. If you want me to believe the Universe thinks, can talk to me, has a plan for me, then I'll need to see some evidence. Until then, you're just asserting things.

I have the feeling this one is not even worth talking to. Not telling you what to do OFC. Perhaps there are others reading that may get something from it, I guess.

Hmm so the universe is sentient? That means my pet rock is also sentient seeing as it is a part of the universe right? Please demonstrate it's sentience and then we can move on to the universe.