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A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 2, 2016 at 6:13 pm (This post was last modified: June 2, 2016 at 8:05 pm by brewer.)
Truth exists on a sliding scale.

Absolute Truth: <---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> :Absolute Lie (or pick another word that works for you)

Any truth or lie falls on that scale. Truth(s) can be absolute, lie(s) can be absolute. I think most pronouncements of "truth" fall somewhere in the middle of the line.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 2, 2016 at 7:46 pm (This post was last modified: June 2, 2016 at 7:51 pm by IATIA.)
(May 29, 2016 at 7:11 am)Irrational Wrote: To those where who believe truth is relative:

When someone throws at you the question "Is it the absolute truth that truth is relative?", how do you respond to that? I have read some attempts on other sites but they seem too complicated for me to understand their point. So explain to me like I'm five, what is unreasonable about the question itself?

The question is in error.  I would present it differently. "Is it an absolute fact that truth is relative?"  Facts do not change, but truths are both subjective and relative.  I cannot conceive of an objective or absolute truth.

As the original question is worded, the response should be that there are no absolute truths, because truths are relative.

A fact can change a truth, but a truth cannot change a fact.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 2, 2016 at 8:09 pm
I think there are absolutes in math and science, they are facts. Little else though.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 2, 2016 at 8:11 pm
It really depends upon how one wishes to define truth.

Even then, not all truths are universal.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm
I heard of a Roman seemed to think the same thing and someone ended up dying because of it.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 3, 2016 at 2:45 am
(June 2, 2016 at 7:46 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(May 29, 2016 at 7:11 am)Irrational Wrote: To those where who believe truth is relative:

When someone throws at you the question "Is it the absolute truth that truth is relative?", how do you respond to that? I have read some attempts on other sites but they seem too complicated for me to understand their point. So explain to me like I'm five, what is unreasonable about the question itself?

The question is in error.  I would present it differently. "Is it an absolute fact that truth is relative?"  Facts do not change, but truths are both subjective and relative.  I cannot conceive of an objective or absolute truth.

As the original question is worded, the response should be that there are no absolute truths, because truths are relative.

A fact can change a truth, but a truth cannot change a fact.

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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 3, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Ok, how do we distinguish a fact from bullshit with respect to theists?
It's all just a play on words.

Fact: God is outside of time and space and hence, cannot be discovered by science!
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 4, 2016 at 3:18 am (This post was last modified: June 4, 2016 at 3:30 am by Ignorant.)
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 4, 2016 at 4:01 am (This post was last modified: June 4, 2016 at 4:02 am by robvalue.)
What the fuck kind of camera do you have to take pictures like that!?

Of course, we have the problem that we're ultimately assuming that anything at all exists outside of my mind. But I don't mind you figments assuming that.
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RE: A question for those who believe truth is not absolute
June 4, 2016 at 4:19 am
(June 4, 2016 at 4:01 am)robvalue Wrote: What the fuck kind of camera do you have to take pictures like that!?

Of course, we have the problem that we're ultimately assuming that anything at all exists outside of my mind. But I don't mind you figments assuming that.

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