(May 31, 2016 at 2:15 pm)SilverFrog Wrote:

(May 28, 2016 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote: a little presumptuous don't you think? In that you think you know what the second death is? Death here in this life is the ceasing of cognitive thought and the termination of biological life. But the question should be, is this what the second death is or is limited to? Scripture describes something else. There is a reason why many believe Hell is eternal torment, because in part that is what the bible describes Hell to be, (for satan and his angels) but at the same time Jesus Himself says it is where the soul is destroyed.

Now what Jesus said, did not include a time limit on how long this destruction/death would take. Think RotJ and the Great Pit of Carkoon (where the sarlacc digests his victims over thousands of years.) Death is most likely not immediate. I have it on pretty good authority/It is my thought that you will 'simmer' in Hell based on how you lived your life. And once the evil is burned away then what's left is also consumed by hell fire. Meaning your sanity is finally consumed, and either what's left is burned up or is further burned won't really matter much any more.

So you have it on pretty good authority?  Wow, you must be really important. You seem to relish in describing the pain of hell. 
You are one sick puppy there Drich.

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(May 30, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do you think that the christian life is a purgatory?  Do you think that atheists enjoy their lives more than christians?

Well Lek, let me put it this way. 
I now enjoy life much more than when I was a christian.
And you can take that to the bank.

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(May 31, 2016 at 10:56 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Yet the Christian foundations of an intelligible order and the efficacy of reason remain the unacknowledged and necessary basis on which the intellectual tools of that progress depends. They were absent outside the West and that is also why liberal democracy developed in the West. Natural law, human dignity, and inalienable rights are all contingent on the existence of God. To deny the existence of God is to undermine the foundations of natural science and liberal democracy.

What a lot of hogwash. Repeating platitudes doesn't make it true.
"Natural law, human dignity and inalienable rights". You have to be kidding, right?
Have you read your bible?

So.. you not familiar with the works of one George Lucas? My 'description of Hell' was borrowed word for word from star wars: return of the Jedi.

(May 28, 2016 at 2:36 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Does bible says that hell and heaven are parmenant?

 Yes it does, Matt. 25:46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." The word eternal is the same in the Greek that's being applied to punishment and life. So if one is eternal both must be.

GC

(May 29, 2016 at 11:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Lek, do you get to "love" your wife in heaven, besides praising the sun?

What if you divorced your wife and remarried two or three times.  Suppose she did.  Seems like that heavenly horseshit would quickly get very complicated.

(June 8, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 29, 2016 at 11:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Lek, do you get to "love" your wife in heaven, besides praising the sun?

What if you divorced your wife and remarried two or three times.  Suppose she did.  Seems like that heavenly horseshit would quickly get very complicated.

Jesus said that there are no marriages in heaven.  People will spent all of their time telling God what a wonderful creature he is.  There's no time for hanky panky.

(June 8, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 29, 2016 at 11:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Lek, do you get to "love" your wife in heaven, besides praising the sun?

What if you divorced your wife and remarried two or three times.  Suppose she did.  Seems like that heavenly horseshit would quickly get very complicated.

Yeah. Jesus said that there is no marriage in heaven. That doesn't mean that we won't have intimate relations in heaven. The bible doesn't tell us much. Since heaven is far superior to earth, it seems to me that whatever we have there is better than sex; or we may have sex. We just don't know. We do know that we will be in bodies, which would result in us having physical pleasures I would think. Whatever it is, it's not the sleazy garbage that might come into your mind. It will be good and pure.

(June 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Lek Wrote: The bible doesn't tell us much.

You got that bit right sport (I'm taking on the atheist equivalent persona of Drich).

(June 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What if you divorced your wife and remarried two or three times.  Suppose she did.  Seems like that heavenly horseshit would quickly get very complicated.

Yeah.  Jesus said that there is no marriage in heaven.  That doesn't mean that we won't have intimate relations in heaven.  The bible doesn't tell us much.  Since heaven is far superior to earth, it seems to me that whatever we have there is better than sex; or we may have sex.  We just don't know.  We do know that we will be in bodies, which would result in us having physical pleasures I would think.  Whatever it is, it's not the sleazy garbage that might come into your mind.  It will be good and pure.

You have a peculiar way of using the word 'know'. The fact is, you know no such thing -- and you know that.

(June 9, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah.  Jesus said that there is no marriage in heaven.  That doesn't mean that we won't have intimate relations in heaven.  The bible doesn't tell us much.  Since heaven is far superior to earth, it seems to me that whatever we have there is better than sex; or we may have sex.  We just don't know.  We do know that we will be in bodies, which would result in us having physical pleasures I would think.  Whatever it is, it's not the sleazy garbage that might come into your mind.  It will be good and pure.

You have a peculiar way of using the word 'know'. The fact is, you know no such thing -- and you know that.

The bible says we will:

2 Corinthians 5New Living Translation (NLT)
New Bodies
5 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies.[a] 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life.

(June 9, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: You have a peculiar way of using the word 'know'. The fact is, you know no such thing -- and you know that.

The bible says we will:

2 Corinthians 5New Living Translation (NLT)
New Bodies
5 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies.[a] 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life.

I personally don't see appeal in being servant who thanks lord for everything and forgets about his own wishes.