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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 5:41 am
(April 24, 2011 at 1:59 am)theVOID Wrote: (April 23, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: [I've heard some atheists refer to atheism as a worldview. Does that irritate you?
As much as any logical gaff irritates me... Atheism is a single position on the existence of god(s), I am an atheist, but my worldview is Metaphysical Naturalism, a wide range of positions on various issues based on the idea that there we are only justified in believing in nature - Any supernatural beliefs are in my opinion, irrational.
(April 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: When I was an atheist I felt aggressive towards theists out of guilt... to add another reason to the list.
The OED has two definitions of atheist which I would concur with.. those lacking belief in deity and those who actively disbelieve. Some atheists (PZ Myers for example) argue that there are commonly identifiable traits that would unite atheists. <--- just to illustrate that not all atheists are so adamant about their non identity.
"lack belief" and "disbelieve" are synonyms, I think the contrary you are looking for is "know" or "claim knowledge".
Do you think it is possible to hear a point of view which goes against what one thinks and not be at all irritated in any way?
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:17 am
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Yes it is possible to hear a point of view that goes against ones own thought processes and not be irritated.....it is when the same old 'god did it' one liner... that comes out eventually ..... is when it becomes irritaitng. The circular argument that brings you BACK to the 'god did it' and no progress has been made is very irritating.
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By the by....
are these insights helping you in any way?? And can we see the resultant essay??
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:19 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:17 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Yes it is possible to hear a point of view that goes against ones own thought processes and not be irritated.....it is when the same old 'god did it' one liner... that comes out eventually ..... is when it becomes irritaitng. The circular argument that brings you BACK to the 'god did it' and no progress has been made is very irritating.
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So for you it is impossible to not be irritated?
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:20 am
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(April 24, 2011 at 6:19 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:17 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Yes it is possible to hear a point of view that goes against ones own thought processes and not be irritated.....it is when the same old 'god did it' one liner... that comes out eventually ..... is when it becomes irritaitng. The circular argument that brings you BACK to the 'god did it' and no progress has been made is very irritating.
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So for you it is impossible to not be irritated?
please read again
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:24 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:20 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:19 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:17 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Yes it is possible to hear a point of view that goes against ones own thought processes and not be irritated.....it is when the same old 'god did it' one liner... that comes out eventually ..... is when it becomes irritaitng. The circular argument that brings you BACK to the 'god did it' and no progress has been made is very irritating.
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So for you it is impossible to not be irritated?
please read again
Is there no way you can hear it and be ok with it?
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:30 am
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Is there no way YOU can hear a repeated nonsensical statement repeated over and over and over and over and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over and over again ad nauseum???
Is there no way YOU can hear a repeated nonsensical statement repeated over and over and over and over and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over and over again ad nauseum???
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:39 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:30 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Is there no way YOU can hear a repeated nonsensical statement repeated over and over and over and over and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over and over again ad nauseum???
Is there no way YOU can hear a repeated nonsensical statement repeated over and over and over and over and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andvover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over andover and over and over and over again ad nauseum???
No I meant if you hear it just the once.
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:39 am
(April 24, 2011 at 5:41 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Do you think it is possible to hear a point of view which goes against what one thinks and not be at all irritated in any way?
Sure, it's not people with a different "point of view" (or more succinctly a "different conclusion") that irritate me, it is people who fail to be clear, concise and consistent in their thinking.
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 6:41 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:39 am)theVOID Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 5:41 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Do you think it is possible to hear a point of view which goes against what one thinks and not be at all irritated in any way?
Sure, it's not people with a different "point of view" (or more succinctly a "different conclusion") that irritate me, it is people who fail to be clear, concise and consistent in their thinking.
To broaden the question, is it not possible for you to be ok with what someone says (ie not become irtae), even if you strongly disagree with it, and even if they aren't clear, concise and consistent?
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RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
April 24, 2011 at 7:12 am
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(April 24, 2011 at 6:41 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:39 am)theVOID Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 5:41 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Do you think it is possible to hear a point of view which goes against what one thinks and not be at all irritated in any way?
Sure, it's not people with a different "point of view" (or more succinctly a "different conclusion") that irritate me, it is people who fail to be clear, concise and consistent in their thinking.
To broaden the question, is it not possible for you to be ok with what someone says (ie not become irtae), even if you strongly disagree with it, and even if they aren't clear, concise and consistent?
for me yes...IF the person in question is concise and clear and consistent...unfortunately they seldom are...
(April 24, 2011 at 6:39 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote:
No I meant if you hear it just the once.
The point is that you never do hear it "just the once"...
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