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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm
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(June 23, 2016 at 6:29 pm)SteveII Wrote: (June 23, 2016 at 4:49 pm)ohreally Wrote: And how is that a gap?
It's a gap in knowledge, in understanding of how it works. That is my whole point. You can't simply say vague things like "evolution is fact". You have to be more specific.
Are you a poe? Every time you reply you make the title of this thread become more on point.
The tree of life is a metaphor about diversity among species. How specific can a metaphor be and and still be a metaphor? How can there be a gap of knowledge in a metaphor? Perhaps it's you who is interpreting it incorrectly.
If water rots the soles of your boots, what does it do to your intestines?
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 23, 2016 at 7:20 pm
(June 23, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: It's like a game of chess, religion is playing science, and science has taken all of religion's pieces and now you're just moving your king around and you're just moving it three squares left, four squares right, and science is like "Hey - that's not a move!" It's childish. YOU HAVE LOST.
LOL. Fine. You won. You have set out to prove why you are superior and theist are ignorant. Of course you don't have any idea how to defend what it is you believe, but since you are confident you are on the right side...you win! Congrats.
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 23, 2016 at 7:28 pm
(June 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm)ohreally Wrote: (June 23, 2016 at 6:29 pm)SteveII Wrote: It's a gap in knowledge, in understanding of how it works. That is my whole point. You can't simply say vague things like "evolution is fact". You have to be more specific.
Are you a poe? Every time you reply you make the title of this thread become more on point.
The tree of life is a metaphor about diversity among species. How specific can a metaphor be and and still be a metaphor? How can there be a gap of knowledge in a metaphor? Perhaps it's you who is interpreting it incorrectly.
No I mean a Phylogenetic Tree. Not a metaphor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylogenetic_tree
It turns out that genetically, you cannot trace genes backwards (down the tree) because some tell contradictory genetic histories. So, new theories like "networks" and "webs" are used in an attempt to map these genes backwards (no tree). Some genes come from way the hell on the other side of the old tree. How? Don't know.
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 23, 2016 at 10:46 pm
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How? Inheritance, that we -do- know. How did we get it wrong with our previous assessments? Is that the question you mean to ask? Perhaps some examples would shed light on that?
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 12:05 am
I'm sorry if I was a bit rude earlier Steve.
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 12:33 am
(June 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is no tree anymore thanks to genetic studies. Different genes tell contradictory evolutionary stories. "Webs" or "networks" of relationships are now hypothesized. Interesting stuff. It illustrates that an idea (the tree) that was believed to be true since Darwin drew it is even still believed to be the case today on a popular level, but really is/has been tossed out in favor of other theories by scientist.
That is a healthy sign if a system can correct itself given new information. Too bad religion can't work like that, huh?
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 6:47 am
(June 23, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How? Inheritance, that we -do- know. How did we get it wrong with our previous assessments? Is that the question you mean to ask? Perhaps some examples would shed light on that?
For those that want to know more about this subject, they should read about it from a scientist and not the interpretation of a non-scientist (me).
Antonis Rokas , Sean B Carroll
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/art...io.0040352
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 6:59 am
Where, in that document, is the support for the claims you made?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 7:08 am
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As an aside:
Let me try to objectively define what a real (published) scientist is:
(1) Suitably qualified in the relevant area
(2) Publishes content, subject openly to peer review by other suitably qualified people
You can put every other "expert" in the trash. Check who is writing your stuff.
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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 24, 2016 at 7:14 am
(June 23, 2016 at 6:29 pm)SteveII Wrote: (June 23, 2016 at 4:49 pm)ohreally Wrote: And how is that a gap?
It's a gap in knowledge, in understanding of how it works. That is my whole point. You can't simply say vague things like "evolution is fact". You have to be more specific.
If facts where as abundant for evolution as polemics, then I would probably be an evolutionist!
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