(June 25, 2016 at 4:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Fair enough. I wasn't expecting anyone to, just interested. I'm not telling you to.

I'm mostly concerned with the effect on the rest of the world. I think it's really unfair.

Imagine if our country got fucked over because of some poll in Greece.

Which country is going to get fucked over because of this?

Also Rob, using Greece as an example is deliciously ironic, their elections have caused more than their fair share of trouble across the EU and the wider world.

It's what happens.

(June 25, 2016 at 5:04 am)Mathilda Wrote: The Brexit vote certainly hasn't managed 40% of the total electorate.

But Mathilda, stay real, who would dare make this decision? Sitting duck Cameron, or Boris, running his mouth on how paradise awaits the ones leaving the EU?

(June 25, 2016 at 5:07 am)abaris Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 5:04 am)Mathilda Wrote: The Brexit vote certainly hasn't managed 40% of the total electorate.

But Mathilda, stay real, who would dare make this decision? Sitting duck Cameron, or Boris, running his mouth on how paradise awaits the ones leaving the EU?

Not saying it would happen, just there is the historical precedence for it to. The difference being that the 1979 amendment was added before the referendum.

(June 25, 2016 at 5:19 am)Mathilda Wrote: Not saying it would happen, just there is the historical precedence for it to. The difference being that the 1979 amendment was added before the referendum.

There's a petition, already having 800.000 sygnatures, demanding a second referendum. I have that from our national news channel, so I haven't checked it against international news as of yet. But you probably should have easier access to the relevant sources. As far as I am infomred, at least parliament is obliged to have a debate on it, as it stands now.

(June 25, 2016 at 4:33 am)abaris Wrote: We had the same picture in our recent presidential elections. Big cities voted for the moderate candidate, while the countryside voted for the right wing nationalist and EU sceptic. We also have a peculiar situation, since a quarter of the population lives in the capital. I'm pretty sure, if something like that would happen in Portugal, you would see the same divide between city and countryside, problematic and thriving regions. The answer is always the same. The divide runs between the ones feeling left out and the ones feeling to have a real chance in life. It also runs between old and young people.

In Portugal, there's more of a north/south divide.
North of Coimbra, people lean more to the right - Social-democrats, or so they call themselves.
South of the River Tagus, people lean more to the communist side.
Lisbon, around which some 20%~30% of the population live, goes more toward the "center" - the Socialists.

(I know, the names of these parties and their alignments don't match up with anything else, huh? [well, except the communists])

Abaris: Wow, is there? Awesome.

I live in hope this will change, somehow. I think Cameron was hoping the same by delaying.

The petition is found here.

Motherfucking signed. 995,022 and counting.

It needs 10,000 to be discussed. But let's make sure they get the message, huh? A second referendum would be perfect.

(Yes, I know some people disagree with me.)

It's over a million now. Nice.

There actually needs to be a specific reason when arguing for another referendum along the lines that the previous referendum was not valid. A petition by itself is not enough. You could argue that too many postal votes went missing for such a narrow margin, or because the electorate were clearly lied to etc.

It's highly likely that the referendum itself was a result of Tory infighting to remove David Cameron and that no one actually expected it to succeed. After all, this is the party that gave inspiration to the original TV series of House of Cards. So if a new leader emerged that was pro Remain, the backlash against the results was extreme enough and there was a significant majority asking for another referendum with a valid reason, then they might become bold enough to promise it. But it's highly unlikely. Gove and Johnson have won.

(June 25, 2016 at 4:33 am)abaris Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 4:17 am)LastPoet Wrote: I had a bigger consideration of brits in general and I thought the percentage of education was bigger there.

Truth is, they are just people. Some of them frightened, some of them concerned, some of them nationalists, racists, or whatever. What they all have in common is being easy prey for pied pipers, following their own agenda.

Truth is also, even if it's 52 vs 48 or something, it's only half of the country. Annd you can observe the same trend as in other countries. The big hubs voted largely for remain while the rural areas voted exit. Which doesn't mean, people on the countryside are stupider. They just feel more disenfranchised, being left out, and serious information has a hard time competing with shrill fear mongering.

We had the same picture in our recent presidential elections. Big cities voted for the moderate candidate, while the countryside voted for the right wing nationalist and EU sceptic. We also have a peculiar situation, since a quarter of the population lives in the capital. I'm pretty sure, if something like that would happen in Portugal, you would see the same divide between city and countryside, problematic and thriving regions. The answer is always the same. The divide runs between the ones feeling left out and the ones feeling to have a real chance in life. It also runs between old and young people.

Just as in America: rural areas tend to vote conservative.