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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:40 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 17, 2016 at 2:33 pm)paulpablo Wrote: All things not being equal it's still better to be white? It's obvious innaccurate statements like this which is why I'm arguing the extent of white privilege. And I have a feeling when I do you will just accuse me of critisizing the way you're phrasing things. Calling something an obvious innaccuracy does not make it so. Things are -not- equal between all members of the US public...and even so, it's demonstrably better to be white.
Quote:So a white person who's in prison is more privileged than 50 cent the multi millionaire musician? Which person do you think has the advantage of being able to walk outside of a prison and have sex with women and buy planes and cars?
You're embarrassing yourself.
Quote:Even if things are equal it's better to be white in a white majority country that America is yes.
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Quote:That's controlling for all other factors.
Actually, it;s not controlling for other factors...it;s including them.
Quote:This kind of privilege isn't something I'd argue about the statistics of but I'd argue it's not universally true in cases of white people in non white majority neighborhoods, it's no longer necesserily a privilege to be white.
The statistics, that you wouldn't argue about, say otherwise.
You really don;t know what it is you mean to say here, do you? Vacillating back and forth between agreement and disagreement.
Ok well I was confused by the way you made the statement at the top of this post. You're saying not everything is equal in the US and even so it's better to be white. What does this mean?
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -And? Firstly, you might be ignoring the brute force of demographics.....secondly...how does that speak to white privilege?
It's no longer a white privilege to be less likely to go to prison if you're more likely to go to prison if white than if you're asian.
What does it mean to ignore the brute force of demographics?
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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@ What does it mean
-Exactly what it says.
Yes, it's still a white privilege to expect to avoid jail. I can expect the jury to see me more favorably (and I can expect them to be white, as well). Ignoring the brute force of demographics is ignoring that fewer asians go to jail...because there are fewer asians.
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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(July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Exactly what it says. Yes, it's still a white privilege to expect to avoid jail. I can expect the jury to see me more favorably.
But as a white person you're more likely to be in prison than Asian. They have higher income, lower crime rate, less Asians in prison. Even taking into account population size.
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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You're quibbling over asians because you already know that your point is lost in the comparison between whites and blacks. Why would I bother to go down that rabbit hole?
I do wonder, though, whether it's ever occurred to you to wonder..whether asians see themselves as white or black, and whether whites are more amenable to asians than blacks? You're desperately searching for a group of people that whites -don't- have it better than, in order to avoid the inescapable conclusion that whites -do- have it better than the group in question, so you might want to consider who we privileged whites have deigned to include in our greater ethnic umbrella, lol.
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:52 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @ What does it mean
-Exactly what it says.
Yes, it's still a white privilege to expect to avoid jail. I can expect the jury to see me more favorably (and I can expect them to be white, as well). Ignoring the brute force of demographics is ignoring that fewer asians go to jail...because there are fewer asians.
Do you mean that even a white person on a lower income, lower education level and a worse record with the police will definitely have it better than a black person of an unequal higher income, education level and a better record with the police? Unless you explain what you mean by giving examples or something I just have to guess.
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 2:55 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @ What does it mean
-Exactly what it says.
Yes, it's still a white privilege to expect to avoid jail. I can expect the jury to see me more favorably (and I can expect them to be white, as well). Ignoring the brute force of demographics is ignoring that fewer asians go to jail...because there are fewer asians.
Do you mean that even a white person on a lower income, lower education level and a worse record with the police will definitely have it better than a black person of an unequal higher income, education level and a better record with the police? Unless you explain what you mean by giving examples or something I just have to guess.
The number of black celebrities, law enforcement officers, and otherwise successful black individuals who have been pulled over for driving while black and given shit over the number of white people - whatever their record - would be a good example.
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 3:03 pm
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My skin gives me cover, if I wanted to steal a beamer. I look the part. Apparently, something just strikes certain cops as "wrong" when they see a black man in a nice car.
That's not white privilege though, couldn't be....and I'm sure Paul will explain why it isn't. Let me guess...white people get pulled over too, and asians get pulled over even less..so QED. 
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 3:08 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (July 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Exactly what it says. Yes, it's still a white privilege to expect to avoid jail. I can expect the jury to see me more favorably.
But as a white person you're more likely to be in prison than Asian. They have higher income, lower crime rate, less Asians in prison. Even taking into account population size.
There is also a lower incarceration rate among left-handed, red-haired zombies than there is among the non-zombie population. But that's not really the topic, is it?
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RE: Is white privilege real? To what extent?
July 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm
(July 17, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're quibbling over asians because you already know that your point is lost in the comparison between whites and blacks. Why would I bother to go down that rabbit hole?
I do wonder, though, whether it's ever occurred to you to wonder..whether asians see themselves as white or black, and whether whites are more amenable to asians than blacks? You're desperately searching for a group of people that whites -don't- have it better than, in order to avoid the inescapable conclusion that whites -do- have it better than the group in question, so you might want to consider who we privileged whites have deigned to include in our greater ethnic umbrella, lol.
I said at the first post it's important to note that privilege by definition is an advantage that only one group or person has.
If you ignore that Asians exist then yes white people are the privileged ones who avoid prison the most.
I "lost" in the comparison between blacks and whites because white people go to prison less than blacks, which is a point I have said is true all along anyway.
And looking at crime rate figures of black on asian crime vs white on asian crime, taking into consider population size I'd say white people are more amenable to asians than blacks. And looking at black on white crime vs asian on white crime relative to population size Asians are also more amenable to white people than black people.
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