As long as Tack doesn't yell anymore.

Oh FUCK here we go again...

Also, people in general will only believe something if they see it with there own eyes. If say you lived in England, and all you saw day after day was white swans, you would come to the conclusion that there are only black swans. But if you then went to Australia, you would see that there are also black swans. What about all the discoveries that science has made, people used to think the Earth was flat but that was not the case. With that in mind, can you truly and honestly say, that there is nothing beyond what we can see with our own eyes?

Quote:Finally, 'I believe' that the only way you can prove that God exists is if you personally make a decision to seek him and want to know him.

Well, I have to give you credit for being more honest than most of these other jerk offs. Yes, you can delude yourself into believing damn near anything. The OP was about actual evidence for the godboy and your delusions do not fit that definition but, like I said, points for being honest.

That is all well and good Danny Boy, but under the same reasoning you cannot expect anyone else who has not had such an experience to believe what you are saying as anything but bullshit.

I could sit here and say i was abducted by aliens, but without any physical proof my claims are not going to be believed by any rational person.

Quote:but rather believing in something (Jesus Christ) because of an experience, event or perhaps several.

It's still a delusion. If you want to believe in your invisible sky-daddy enough your mind will concoct a reason for you to do so. The old "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" dilemma comes to mind and without evidence for "lord" ( and by that I mean real evidence!) I am content to dismiss you as one of the other two.

(May 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: That is all well and good Danny Boy, but under the same reasoning you cannot expect anyone else who has not had such an experience to believe what you are saying as anything but bullshit.

I could sit here and say i was abducted by aliens, but without any physical proof my claims are not going to be believed by any rational person.

The absolute bottom line is, I do not expect any non-believer to believe what I have said. All I want is for other people to know of the immense joy and fulfilment I have found in Jesus for themselves, even just one person, because he has completely changed my life! Joy can be rare and shortlasting in the world, it was for me, but because of 'my faith' in Jesus I have found it! To those who don't believe me and don't want to even consider it, that is your choice, it is your life and I completely respect that. After all, who am I to tell you what to believe! I am simply trying to pass on this joy to anyone who may wish to hear it or seek it.

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(May 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:but rather believing in something (Jesus Christ) because of an experience, event or perhaps several.

It's still a delusion. If you want to believe in your invisible sky-daddy enough your mind will concoct a reason for you to do so. The old "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" dilemma comes to mind and without evidence for "lord" ( and by that I mean real evidence!) I am content to dismiss you as one of the other two.

I completely understand your position, God cannot be proven by science or whatever and we cannot see him with our own eyes. I can promise you that I am not lying about these things, I believe them with my whole heart, therefore I cannot be lying. So I guess the only question is, am I a lunatic, was Jesus a lunatic? What if he wasn't? What if you experienced what I did, or my brother did? One thing is for sure, whatever happened to us, and to all Christians, it changed our lives. Is there a possiblity that perhaps what ever happened to us, could maybe one day, happen to you? What then? Something to think about.