(August 25, 2016 at 6:55 pm)abaris Wrote: It's despicable in both directions. Forcing someone into wearing something they don't want to wear. And forcing them to undress. As it happened at Nice these days. That's not what a liberal or secular society is about. Again, in both directions.

I was just about to write something like this.

(August 25, 2016 at 7:37 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: We can discourage the ideas around female repression and sexual modesty sure, but we can't literally force people. It's not going to encourage people to see it the way we do.

It's on the same lines as the constant qustions on how can I deconvert X or Y? How can I pull this or that relative or friend away from religion? The answer's always the same. If you try to shove something down their throats, a video, a story or anything along these lines, they just will get defensive and feel their faith threatened and get all the more firm in their believes.

Same with these women. Apart from the degrading aspect of forcing them into revealing themselves in public, it will make them defensive. That's even true for someone who didn't originally make the choice of dressing that way. It will be a shameful and degrading moment. And very much on the same lines as the ones originally forcing them into that dress code. It's done by force, and even more importantly, in public by the authorities.

I encourage everyone to try to swap religions for a moment. What would be the public reaction to forcing orthodox jews into doing it? Their number is smaller but I'm willing to bet you anything that the percentage of them being coerced into the dress code is on the same level.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If you want to enjoy a public beach with most everyone around you wearing swimsuits and scanty clothing in the sunshine and surf (don't forget your sunscreen!) why not do the same? Muslim men do but their women can't. It's a double standard purely based on an archaic religion.

Also, am I being an immodest and tempting infidel by wearing a beach swimsuit instead of covering myself from head to toe? I don't think so, but Muslims who believe in covering their women up say different.

(August 25, 2016 at 9:21 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: When in Rome, do as the Romans.

Does that apply for them too? You think the cops would rip their cloths off or ask them to leave



Or them maybe?



She would be perfect, wouldn't she?



Them too. Covering much too much when in Rome.

The Amish woman, abaris, are showing skin and their hair -totally not allowed by devout Muslims who cover up their women from head to toe.
For the nuns and the Jews, please point to the men supervising them while wearing Speedos and sandals. I don't see any, do you? So I'm calling strawman.

(August 16, 2016 at 10:31 am)ukatheist Wrote: Quite surprised this hasn't been posted yet

Cannes bans burkinis over suspected link to radical Islamism - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37056742

I feel this is slightly different to the burka ban debate (despite the name burkini the face is not covered), and it seems the only reason for the ban is because it is 'islamic' the article says that other religious symbols are not banned (skullcaps, crucifix etc).

So, while I generally support a ban on burkas, as the face s covered, I don't support the ban on burkinis. Thoughts?

If they wanna wear what ever let them do so. Let these sheeple believe in false hope.

Did they really think there could be terrorist attack after attack without the French getting pissed off?  When people get pissed they often do not react in rational ways.  In the US, for example, we attack the wrong country and spend ourselves in bankruptcy.

This is just France's emotional way of saying "fuck your bullshit religion."  What comes next will be worse.

(August 25, 2016 at 9:21 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: When in Rome, do as the Romans.

And this is why I said before that people should be encouraged rather than forced. "When it Rome, do as the Romans" will get you more social acceptance, but it shouldn't be law.