(August 30, 2016 at 7:06 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote:

(August 30, 2016 at 6:25 pm)The_Empress Wrote: So what does "God" say on the matter?

Not even considering going down that rabbit hole.  There is a strong double standard and bias in this forum.   Understandable the OP being 12, but the nontheists here are very slow to correct eachother.

Many here presume to speak for all Christians as if we are a hive mind.  BS.  I don't hold to a fraction of the positions most here would state I do, and surely not for the same rationale.  

Like I said, what I think, or any solitary person thinks on this issue is going to be irrelevant.  

The LGBT issue is extremely sensitive and personal.   In regards to Christianity,  it is not as simple as a commandment against murder, theft, or the like.  Our sexuality is how many of us define ourselves and is much more than a simple act.  It is why so many take such a personal offense to it.  Perhaps they  feel it critiques them at their core.  

I do not wish to alienate anyone.  Pushing people away is not the example Christ modeled.

-all well and good...now what does god say on the matter?  You're the one who asked the damned question in the first place Pete, lol. If you didn't want the bite, why toss out the bait?

It wasn't bait. I honestly don't think my opinion, your opinion or abaris's opinion of free love without restraint will matter. I see nothing to be gained in having a heated conversation over this issue.

The OP insinuated that all Christians hate homosexuals. Typical of the BS that I see here. You guys lumping us all together. If I said something all inclusive about atheists, the forum would unleash hell on me for doing so.

On a side note, it really ticks me off many in the forum are so biased and prejudiced against Christians. Many of you profess to be critical thinkers, rational and objective. How can you be objective when you are seething with malice and anger?

It's obvious that God has an opinion on the subject of homosexuality. His opinion is what will matter. That is my view. Whether you guys subscribe to it or not is entirely on you.

From my standpoint, if you are anti-Christian, which appears to be a better way to describe many here, I would recommend squeezing every ounce of gratification, pleasure, and fulfillment out of this life as possible. I am sure many here would agree but for different motivations.

(August 30, 2016 at 10:26 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: It wasn't bait.  I honestly don't think my opinion, your opinion or abaris's opinion of free love without restraint will matter.  I see nothing to be gained in having a heated conversation over this issue.  

The OP insinuated that all Christians hate homosexuals.  Typical of the BS that I see here.  You guys lumping us all together.  If I said something all inclusive about atheists, the forum would unleash hell on me for doing so.  

On a side note, it really ticks me off many in the forum are so biased and prejudiced against Christians.  Many of you profess to be critical thinkers, rational and objective. How can you be objective when you are seething with malice and anger?

It's obvious that God has an opinion on the subject of homosexuality.  His opinion is what will matter.  That is my view.  Whether you guys subscribe to it or not is entirely on you.  

From my standpoint, if you are anti-Christian, which appears to be a better way to describe many here, I would recommend squeezing every ounce of gratification, pleasure, and fulfillment out of this life as possible.  I am sure many here would agree but for different motivations.

Put aside the OP (because he's 12) and that's not necessarily the case here. Pete, I'm dating a Christian. I obviously don't generally hate Christians or think they are all anti-LGBT.

I will have to admit though, most of the hate I do receive comes from Christians. I'm not blaming all of them, but the issue is definitely clear.

Even if a Christian does not draw their own line in the sand, the book they read tells them that there is a god out there who does draw that line. I'm just glad that some Christians are able to stamp out that line entirely. I can live peacefully with them.

I am generally curious though. What's your take on what your god may or may not think of this issue?

(August 30, 2016 at 10:26 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: It wasn't bait.  I honestly don't think my opinion, your opinion or abaris's opinion of free love without restraint will matter.  I see nothing to be gained in having a heated conversation over this issue.  

The OP insinuated that all Christians hate homosexuals.

He did? Where? He didn't even say the word "Christian". He's asking theists who are against homosexuality why they hold that view...

Quote:Typical of the BS that I see here.  You guys lumping us all together.  If I said something all inclusive about atheists, the forum would unleash hell on me for doing so.  

Who lumped you all together?

Quote:On a side note, it really ticks me off many in the forum are so biased and prejudiced against Christians.  Many of you profess to be critical thinkers, rational and objective. How can you be objective when you are seething with malice and anger?

Most of us only hold malice and anger toward individuals and heinous views they hold.

Quote:It's obvious that God has an opinion on the subject of homosexuality.  His opinion is what will matter.  That is my view.  Whether you guys subscribe to it or not is entirely on you.  

Actually, that's not obvious. Most of us here are atheists. That means we hold no belief in the Christian, or any other, deity.

Quote:From my standpoint, if you are anti-Christian, which appears to be a better way to describe many here, I would recommend squeezing every ounce of gratification, pleasure, and fulfillment out of this life as possible.  I am sure many here would agree but for different motivations.

So you're not against homosexuality? If not, the question wasn't directed at you. If so, why?

(August 30, 2016 at 10:26 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: From my standpoint, if you are anti-Christian, which appears to be a better way to describe many here, I would recommend squeezing every ounce of gratification, pleasure, and fulfillment out of this life as possible.  I am sure many here would agree but for different motivations.

Wow, Pete.  Was that a subtle hell-threat?  And then you wonder why you get treated like a hive mind...*sigh*

As I said, it's from my interpretation of what is to be. It's not what I would wish on anyone. There is a difference I think.

(August 30, 2016 at 10:26 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: On a side note, it really ticks me off many in the forum are so biased and prejudiced against Christians.  Many of you profess to be critical thinkers, rational and objective. How can you be objective when you are seething with malice and anger?

Must be surprising, coming into an atheist forum page, and discovering that people here don't like religion.  Shocking!

As for malice and anger. . . wouldn't it bother you if you went into work and people were talking about the tooth fairy like it was a real thing that mattered?  If they knocked on your door Saturday morning to ask if you believed in the tooth fairy, and wanted to come in and read literature about the tooth fairy, and tsk tsked disapprovingly whenever they encountered someone who DIDN'T believe in the tooth fairy-- wouldn't decades of that eventually piss you off, too?  

See, you are still stuck in your cultural fairy tale of choice, so you can't get it.  You think you've had thread after thread of meaningful debate here.  But from the perspective of most of the atheists here, what you've really been doing is attempting to seriously argue, page after predictable page, that the tooth fairy is real.


If you can understand this, then you'll understand the mindset:  to non-Christians, you are an adult who not only checks under the bed for monsters every night, but sincerely believes that everyone else should too.  To debate with that tries the patience of any rational person. I'm no more prejudiced against you than I am against my own kid, who also wants me to check under the bed sometimes. The difference is, I know he'll grow out of it by the time he's 7, and so for him, I have patience.

(August 30, 2016 at 11:02 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: As I said, it's from my interpretation of what is to be.  It's not what I would wish on anyone.  There is a difference I think.

You have to understand the absolute peace and confidence that we have in the face of threats of hell.  There's not even 1% of my psychology that has even a teeny little bit of fear.  Nor do I fear that the Nazgûl will ride into Hobbiton and terrorize my hobbit friends, and for much the same reason: because none of those things is real either.

I mean, come on, dude, you believe that a man walked on water and self-resurrected after 3 days, and turned water into wine. The only question you should be asking is how he was lucky enough to roll a 60 on a 3d20.

(August 30, 2016 at 10:40 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(August 30, 2016 at 10:26 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: From my standpoint, if you are anti-Christian, which appears to be a better way to describe many here, I would recommend squeezing every ounce of gratification, pleasure, and fulfillment out of this life as possible.  I am sure many here would agree but for different motivations.

Wow, Pete.  Was that a subtle hell-threat?  And then you wonder why you get treated like a hive mind...*sigh*

If your a true Christian like you claim to be, then you believe in the Bible, no cherry picking right?


Maybe explain all the homophobic verses in the Bible?

(August 30, 2016 at 11:02 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: As I said, it's from my interpretation of what is to be.  It's not what I would wish on anyone.  There is a difference I think.

So....

Your God is going to do things you wouldn't wish on anyone. But you still choose to worship it? Why?