Yes, believing in BS must be a full time job for you Harris.

(September 4, 2016 at 7:04 am)RobertE Wrote: I don't know if the links have been posted, but just for Harris, here they are:

http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/graves-text.htm

Here is the front page of The Times London, who first published an article saying it was a forgery:

http://emperor.vwh.net/antisem/first.pdf

http://emperor.vwh.net/antisem/graves.pdf

Enjoy Harris.

And this is where the "Protocols of Zion", was plagiarised:

http://etienne.chouard.free.fr/Europe/me...squieu.pdf

I can also give numerous links to the web pages where you can find comprehensive details including recorded historical facts that positively support the idea that The Protocols is not a forged document. I will give only one link just to show that recommending links is not a big deal.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-p...rchive.htm

Throwing links at each other of course is not the point of this discussion.

Instead of offering me mountain of unnecessary information I think it would be much better if you obtain one or two of your most beloved arguments out of that mountain and submit them for the continuation of this discussion. That would enable me to make my responses short and precise.

Secondly, thank you for the book “Meditations through the Quran.” I have not read the whole book but look over some of the passages in a random way. To my understanding there is nothing appreciable or unique in the book that requires some exclusive care. Again in discussions such as this one it is much better if you provide your main points of interest out of the book rather I read the whole book and then try to give a mind-numbing and monotonous commentary.

Taking advantage of this point let me introduce one more brute fact about Judaism.

I have 12 original scriptures representing 12 different religions of the world. Other than Judaism there is not a single religion that try to hide its scripture because basically all scriptures (other than Talmud) give their followers the commandments of morality.

I do not have the original Talmud. Jews do not want Goyim to read their Talmud because Talmud talks bitter things about Goyim. There are few versions of Talmud available online for free download but they are heavily sanitised.

Jews are forced to hide their Talmud from non-Jews because it teaches Jews that immorality is permissible to harm Goyim (animals)

(September 4, 2016 at 7:38 am)abaris Wrote:

(September 4, 2016 at 6:50 am)RobertE Wrote: Am I getting the impression that Harris is a student of Islam in that he is a convert? I have just read the whole of this thread and he seems to have gone out of his way to somehow disredit the Jews.

He's got some affiliation with Islam. But don't let that fool you. Antisemites like him come in all shapes and colours. Nationalists, Revisionists, Christians, Muslims. Everything's included. It's more rare with Palestinians. I don't mean the religious antisemitism but the ethnic one. They are mostly aware that they're a semite people too. So they may go on about destroying Israel, but they're not out to destroy the jews Hitler style. It would mean that their own hide is on the line too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

(September 4, 2016 at 7:54 am)abaris Wrote:

(September 4, 2016 at 7:47 am)RobertE Wrote: As for the Palestinians, they are semites as you stated, but again, the one thing that I don't like to hear is the typical "bombardement of Palestine", by those in Islam, and they fail to speak up about Palestinian refugees in Syria who are treated nearly as bad.

The Palestinians are on the ass end at least since 1948. They were always intrumentalised by the Arab nations, by the West. Sometimes willing tools, sometimes just on the receiving end, sometimes perpetrators.

But I see a major mistake in criminalising Arafat back in the day. Yes, he commissioned acts of terrorism, but terrorism had a different look in the 70ies and 80ies. It wasn't geared at killing as many as possible, but to blackmail and to draw attention to the cause. It was only after Arafat's demise that Hamas was really able to take over. And that's a two sided medal in itself. The people being at the ass end of sanctions and closed borders only see Hamas providing hospitals, schools and food. They, as is natural with people in need, don't look beyond the positives. They don't care what they stand for. Only for what they provide.

Anti-Semitism has become a tool of Zionist power in the world to excuse the Zionist invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This false equation of supposedly anti-Jewish prejudice with anybody who is opposing the genocide in Palestine has been used to stifle criticism of the genocide. It has been used to accuse people who oppose the genocide of the Palestinians with racism and in fact these are the Zionists who are racists, who have Jewish superiority state that has been created in Palestine.

(September 4, 2016 at 8:46 am)RobertE Wrote:

(September 4, 2016 at 8:17 am)abaris Wrote: You know, you have to try to walk in their shoes. Entire generations grew up with the conflict and without any hope for their own lives. I don't blame them for falling for the ones providing for them. Even more so since Abbas is just a tool, not being able to land even a single success story to his name. Israelis grew up with the conflict too. But they are, for the most part, well fed and have their own corner of the world.

I grew up with the conflict too. As an outside observer. It was an entirely secular conflict over land until 1987, the first Intifada. Religion didn't play into it. At least not in a leading role. I remember the 7 days war because of personal involvement. My parents did an Israel cruise right when it broke out. They made it home safely, but it stuck. Even the name of the (Israeli) ship stuck. Molleded. At least that's how it was spelled, I'm probably getting the wording wrong here.

I went from an outright admirer of Israel and kissing the ground they walked on, over dabbling in nazicism when I grew older, mostly out of protest because in my family the Holocaust was always present, to have a rather critical view of Israeli policy without denying Israel the right to exist. Now I think, both sides are at fault and I'm convinced that there won't be any solution as long as Netanjahu is in power. My criticism is entirely political though and certainly not on the lines of blaming all the jews. That would be suicidal in any case, since I'm half jewish by the standards of Hitler admirers.

I cannot add anything here that hasn't been said already. Very honest and sincere post. Get Netanjahu and Abbas out, and there might be a way forward.

There cannot be other way. Zionism has executed great atrocities in Bolshevik Revolution, in world war I and world war II that includes throwing of big bombs over Japan, and killing millions of people under the hood of communism and atheism. In the present day they are repeating the same atrocities in the middle east.
How long Zionism would exist that long atrocities would live and there would be no peace and harmony among nations.
Zionism wants to remove all borders and annihilate all religions and ideologies to impose the masonic law and subjugate non-Jews. All that is happening right now exactly according to the plan that is sketched in The Protocols.

Harris, I found you an avatar.

(August 28, 2016 at 4:48 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: Do you understand and see the difference between Judahism and 'Jews'? I don't want to go into a history lesson but they're not the same thing? As in, you can be a Jew and not espouse Judahism? Hell there are non-religious people who identify as Jews in this very forum. TSQ I believe is one of them.

Do you understand that? You know what, whatever. Said what I need to, it's pointless encounters like this arguing over trivial and irrelevant points that remind me why I never post anymore. Have at it.

No, the difference is between excuses to avoid calling it a religion. There were polytheists with different skin tones mixing from all sorts of tribes on that land long before the Hebrew religion existed.

(September 5, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 4:48 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: Do you understand and see the difference between Judahism and 'Jews'? I don't want to go into a history lesson but they're not the same thing? As in, you can be a Jew and not espouse Judahism? Hell there are non-religious people who identify as Jews in this very forum. TSQ I believe is one of them.

Do you understand that? You know what, whatever. Said what I need to, it's pointless encounters like this arguing over trivial and irrelevant points that remind me why I never post anymore. Have at it.

No, the difference is between excuses to avoid calling it a religion. There were polytheists with different skin tones mixing from all sorts of tribes on that land long before the Hebrew religion existed.

Racist!

Anti-Semite!

(September 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Harris, I found you an avatar.

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Thanks. that avatar had given me a smile.

(September 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Harris Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Harris, I found you an avatar.

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Thanks. that avatar had given me a smile.

I thought it would.