(September 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I tend not to believe stories of near death experiences. But I don't think most people who claim them completely make them up, either. Perhaps they are dreams or our minds playing tricks on us when we are in a state of unconsciousness. Nonetheless I find them intriguing, especially when coming from someone who claims to have been a non believer and suddenly "change their mind" after their alleged experience.

My husband's mother is a doctor who works at a hospice and she says there have been times when her patients are very close to dying but still conscious, that they claim to start seeing things... like angels, loved ones who have died, etc. I'm not sure what to think of those claims.

(September 9, 2016 at 10:34 pm)c172 Wrote: I read this as Howard Stern. Still wasn't sure on an answer.

(September 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My husband's mother is a doctor who works at a hospice and she says there have been times when her patients are very close to dying but still conscious, that they claim to start seeing things... like angels, loved ones who have died, etc. I'm not sure what to think of those claims.

(September 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I tend not to believe stories of near death experiences. But I don't think most people who claim them completely make them up, either. Perhaps they are dreams or our minds playing tricks on us when we are in a state of unconsciousness. Nonetheless I find them intriguing, especially when coming from someone who claims to have been a non believer and suddenly "change their mind" after their alleged experience.

(September 10, 2016 at 6:54 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(September 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I tend not to believe stories of near death experiences. But I don't think most people who claim them completely make them up, either. Perhaps they are dreams or our minds playing tricks on us when we are in a state of unconsciousness. Nonetheless I find them intriguing, especially when coming from someone who claims to have been a non believer and suddenly "change their mind" after their alleged experience.

The thing is that's only atheists who aren't sophisticated enough to realize that their own personal experience can never account for any God or Afterlife and hallucination is always more probable. IOW only idiot atheists are convinced by that.

If I see ghost what do I do? Keep staring at the ghost until I'm sure it's there and then scream and tell people? No... I keep looking to make sure it's a persistent hallucination and then I look away and go see a Psychiatrist.

(September 8, 2016 at 8:21 pm)Incognito Wrote:

(August 26, 2016 at 10:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: Try to switch off the light and see how many seconds it takes for the light to go off.
Not even one second.
The brain work in the same way.
As soon as the heart stop sending blood and oxygen to the brain the brain is automatically off.
No time to do anything at all.
This is science not the kind of bull that you guess.

That clearly means that the consciousness take over and again means that we are immortal.
A bad news for atheist pride but a good news for atheists anyway because we never die and
something great expect us.  

@Little Rik. Wrong, the human brain does not work like a light. Scientific studies has shown that areas of the brain are still active after death. In fact, in history, there were recorded examples of executed people's (by having their heads chopped off) eye's still moving and mouth's opening in horror. Therefore, consciousness, at least some part, does still continue to exist in the brain for some time. Therefore, it is very possible the near death experience Howard Storm had was just a manifestation of a dream like experience in his own head it was because his brain was still conscious.

Secondly, you accuse me of not using science and calling my theory bullshit. After that, you then ironically turn around and suggest that a magical man in the sky did it. Rik, you need to understand that just because we don't understand what happens after Death, or what happened before the Big Bang, doesn't support the existence of God. In fact, replace God in all your arguments with The Giant Spaghetti Monster and you'll realise how dumb you sound.

(September 9, 2016 at 4:57 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 8, 2016 at 8:21 pm)Incognito Wrote: @Little Rik. Wrong, the human brain does not work like a light. Scientific studies has shown that areas of the brain are still active after death. In fact, in history, there were recorded examples of executed people's (by having their heads chopped off) eye's still moving and mouth's opening in horror. Therefore, consciousness, at least some part, does still continue to exist in the brain for some time. Therefore, it is very possible the near death experience Howard Storm had was just a manifestation of a dream like experience in his own head it was because his brain was still conscious.

Secondly, you accuse me of not using science and calling my theory bullshit. After that, you then ironically turn around and suggest that a magical man in the sky did it. Rik, you need to understand that just because we don't understand what happens after Death, or what happened before the Big Bang, doesn't support the existence of God. In fact, replace God in all your arguments with The Giant Spaghetti Monster and you'll realise how dumb you sound.

Inc.  

You don't get it, do you?
Your problem is that you start judging by taking in consideration big things that you can not understand yet.
Brain and consciousness are two separate things.
The fact that during someone life are stuck together does not mean that once the body-brain die consciousness also die.
This concept belong to the stone age.
You can touch the body and the brain but you can not touch the consciousness.
The consciousness is an abstract entity.
It can not be destroyed ever.
It is made of energy and energy is made of consciousness.
They are the two sides of the same sheet.
Even physics tell us that energy can not be destroyed.
Get real mate and leave the stone age mentality where it belong.  

(September 20, 2016 at 9:15 pm)Incognito Wrote:

(September 8, 2016 at 8:21 pm)Incognito Wrote: @Little Rik. Wrong, the human brain does not work like a light. Scientific studies has shown that areas of the brain are still active after death. In fact, in history, there were recorded examples of executed people's (by having their heads chopped off) eye's still moving and mouth's opening in horror. Therefore, consciousness, at least some part, does still continue to exist in the brain for some time. Therefore, it is very possible the near death experience Howard Storm had was just a manifestation of a dream like experience in his own head it was because his brain was still conscious.

Secondly, you accuse me of not using science and calling my theory bullshit. After that, you then ironically turn around and suggest that a magical man in the sky did it. Rik, you need to understand that just because we don't understand what happens after Death, or what happened before the Big Bang, doesn't support the existence of God. In fact, replace God in all your arguments with The Giant Spaghetti Monster and you'll realise how dumb you sound.

(September 9, 2016 at 4:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Inc.  

You don't get it, do you?
Your problem is that you start judging by taking in consideration big things that you can not understand yet.
Brain and consciousness are two separate things.
The fact that during someone life are stuck together does not mean that once the body-brain die consciousness also die.
This concept belong to the stone age.
You can touch the body and the brain but you can not touch the consciousness.
The consciousness is an abstract entity.
It can not be destroyed ever.
It is made of energy and energy is made of consciousness.
They are the two sides of the same sheet.
Even physics tell us that energy can not be destroyed.
Get real mate and leave the stone age mentality where it belong.  

That is so ironic. SO SO Ironic I forgot to laugh.

So your telling me that I'm taking in consideration big things that I can't understand. I can easily turn that back at you with your belief in God. There are thousands of religions out there contradicting each other. How do you know that YOUR religion is the one true one?