(October 1, 2016 at 9:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, sure.  
But in this way we can also say that the milk, water, air and whatever else you may like to include is cheese.
Isn't that a stupid way to put it?  

Yes, it is a stupid way to put it.
Because, first it doesn't make sense. And second, because your analogy has nothing to do with anything.

(October 1, 2016 at 9:11 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 9:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, sure.  
But in this way we can also say that the milk, water, air and whatever else you may like to include is cheese.
Isn't that a stupid way to put it?  

Yes, it is a stupid way to put it.
Because, first it doesn't make sense. And second, because your analogy has nothing to do with anything.

Wrong again Lost.
Every single entity does have a different consciousness for the simple reason that they are in a different stage of devolution or evolution.
To include one factor or entity into an other and pretend that there is no difference is absurd.

Once the milk is turned into cheese the milk can not be called milk anymore.
The degree of feeling is not the same anymore.
The vibrations that are present in one element are different from an other element.
Physical science hasn't got it yet so I would be very careful to stick with a guess.  

(October 1, 2016 at 4:53 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Losing?  After your story that the universe would disintegrate because of "bad luck?"  You're a joke.  And here we see your usual nonsense of trying to shift the burden of proof from your claims to a mere incidental remark made by me.  You're the one with the oddball claims about how the system works. Provide some evidence or stop making claims.  I guess you ran out after "NDEs, hurr durr."

Yog.  

I cought you red handed my dear.  
You say that is me that make claims but what about your statement here below?

You said.......the universe isn't based on luck, it's based on the interaction of matter and energy under natural law.............now let me explain why this is not possible.  

The elements in a body can well interact one another but that does not means that that is enough to sustain life.
The liver can interact with the spleen the stomach the lungs the heart the brain and so on but if you do not breath air, if you do not drink, eat move then you die.
What this means?
It means that there got to be external input if we want to survive.
EXTERNAL yog EXTERNAL not internal.

That is what happen with the universal body all the time.
It get constant EXTERNAL input to survive and this input doesn't come from father Christmas.
I just let to you to think where it may come from.  

(bold mine)

So you say. The last time you brought this up you claimed it was so because the universe is analogous to our body. A statement for which you had no evidence. The universe and my body are not analogous, and even if they were, it would not demonstrate that the universe has a mind like I do. Things can be analogous, yet not share all points of possible similarity. That's why analogies prove nothing. Here we see you making more analogies. Analogies don't prove shit.

(October 1, 2016 at 9:26 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 9:11 am)LostLocke Wrote: Yes, it is a stupid way to put it.
Because, first it doesn't make sense. And second, because your analogy has nothing to do with anything.

Wrong again Lost.
Every single entity does have a different consciousness for the simple reason that they are in a different stage of devolution or evolution.
To include one factor or entity into an other and pretend that there is no difference is absurd.

Once the milk is turned into cheese the milk can not be called milk anymore.
The degree of feeling is not the same anymore.
The vibrations that are present in one element are different from an other element.
Physical science hasn't got it yet so I would be very careful to stick with a guess.  

This is pure woo. You're back off in na-na land with things you can't provide evidence for.

Matter is a concept that includes air, water, milk, and cheese. To say there is matter and water is thus redundant. To claim that water is different from matter is simply wrong. Water is matter because matter includes it. Your analogy about cheese and milk is misguided because water isn't matter in a different form. Matter in a different form is energy, and we do have a separate word for that. But far be it from me to challenge your dogma.

(October 1, 2016 at 11:36 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 9:26 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again Lost.
Every single entity does have a different consciousness for the simple reason that they are in a different stage of devolution or evolution.
To include one factor or entity into an other and pretend that there is no difference is absurd.

Once the milk is turned into cheese the milk can not be called milk anymore.
The degree of feeling is not the same anymore.
The vibrations that are present in one element are different from an other element.
Physical science hasn't got it yet so I would be very careful to stick with a guess.  

This is pure woo.  You're back off in na-na land with things you can't provide evidence for.

Matter is a concept that includes air, water, milk, and cheese.  To say there is matter and water is thus redundant.  To claim that water is different from matter is simply wrong.  Water is matter because matter includes it.  Your analogy about cheese and milk is misguided because water isn't matter in a different form.  Matter in a different form is energy, and we do have a separate word for that.  But far be it from me to challenge your dogma.

Wrong again yog.  

To understand why the elements are separate you don't have to go very far at all.

Just look at your body and to who is controlling what.
The major gland along our spinal cord control separate factors.
At the very bottom there is a gland that control the matter (poo-poo so to speak).
A little bit above an other gland control the liquid factor (urine and semen)
Further up around the stomach the one that control the energy.
Further up around the chest the air flow.
Further up around the throat the space.
In the head the mind and something else so there is enough evidence that at every stage there is a particular gland that control a particular factor and does not control other factors.
From here you would understand that matter is solid, liquid is liquid, energy is energy, air is air and so on.
By mixing the elements as you do you pretend that one element is what in reality is not.
Get real yog.  

(October 1, 2016 at 11:26 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 4:53 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yog.  

I cought you red handed my dear.  
You say that is me that make claims but what about your statement here below?

You said.......the universe isn't based on luck, it's based on the interaction of matter and energy under natural law.............now let me explain why this is not possible.  

The elements in a body can well interact one another but that does not means that that is enough to sustain life.
The liver can interact with the spleen the stomach the lungs the heart the brain and so on but if you do not breath air, if you do not drink, eat move then you die.
What this means?
It means that there got to be external input if we want to survive.
EXTERNAL yog EXTERNAL not internal.

That is what happen with the universal body all the time.
It get constant EXTERNAL input to survive and this input doesn't come from father Christmas.
I just let to you to think where it may come from.  

(bold mine)

So you say.  The last time you brought this up you claimed it was so because the universe is analogous to our body.  A statement for which you had no evidence.  The universe and my body are not analogous, and even if they were, it would not demonstrate that the universe has a mind like I do.  Things can be analogous, yet not share all points of possible similarity.  That's why analogies prove nothing.  Here we see you making more analogies.  Analogies don't prove shit.

It is by using analogies that researchers achieve progress most the time.
Without analogies you are alone and the progress is very very difficult to come.

You never thought about it yog, did you?  

(October 2, 2016 at 9:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: To understand why the elements are separate you don't have to go very far at all.

Just look at your body and to who is controlling what.
The major gland along our spinal cord control separate factors.
At the very bottom there is a gland that control the matter (poo-poo so to speak).
A little bit above an other gland control the liquid factor (urine and semen)
Further up around the stomach the one that control the energy.
Further up around the chest the air flow.
Further up around the throat the space.
In the head the mind and something else so there is enough evidence that at every stage there is a particular gland that control a particular factor and does not control other factors.
From here you would understand that matter is solid, liquid is liquid, energy is energy, air is air and so on.
By mixing the elements as you do you pretend that one element is what in reality is not.
Get real yog.  

So, when you get sick do you go to the barber for a bleeding?

Oh Rik, you crack me up.

Matter is solid? Um, no. Matter has several states. Rik clearly failed chemistry class.



You know what? I won't even give you a more in-depth link for these basics. Here's the page for the little kids.
http://www.chem4kids.com/files/matter_intro.html

You've used the same methods Rik since I joined up. And they aren't working. On anybody.

Wouldn't a good teacher adjust his methods to fit his audience? Or does he repeat himself endlessly and not care what his pupils get out of it?