(October 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He does not demand love. He does not punish. It is simply if you love him you spend eternity with him if you do not love him you go to the only place where he is not.

There are worse places than Vegas.

(October 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He is all powerful. He is all love and all good. The warning back then would have been taken more seriously than the warnings of today. Humans of today are a bit stupid. It wasn't a threat. He just dropped his protection on a land of people that defiled his name. kind of like Syria right now if you think of it.

You think?  God started the war in syria, then...or "withheld his protection"?  Was he protecting them before?  Why, what for?  What from?

(October 3, 2016 at 5:13 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He is all powerful. He is all love and all good. The warning back then would have been taken more seriously than the warnings of today. Humans of today are a bit stupid. It wasn't a threat. He just dropped his protection on a land of people that defiled his name. kind of like Syria right now if you think of it.

You think?  God started the war in syria, then...or "withheld his protection"?  Was he protecting them before?  Why, what for?  What from?

OOOOH!  OOOOH!  I know!

Those damned, dirty Muslims, right?

(October 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He does not demand love. He does not punish. It is simply if you love him you spend eternity with him if you do not love him you go to the only place where he is not.

There are worse places than Vegas.

Is that a question or a statement?

(October 3, 2016 at 5:17 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: There are worse places than Vegas.

Is that a question or a statement?

A statement, of course.

Where would you rather spend eternity? Vegas or Biloxi?  

I do have five children. And if I knew that three of them would turn out to be murderers--I would certainly make sure that I was involved in their life to make sure to prevent that from happening. I wouldn't be absent, invisible, hoping to influence them through a book written long before they were ever born. Instead I would, as much as I do now, be involved in their lives and teach them love and compassion for other human beings. And I would do so DIRECTLY. I wouldn't expect them to get it from a book--that's just asking for trouble. Nor would I ask a friend of mine to do it. I would do it myself.

(October 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He does not demand love. He does not punish. It is simply if you love him you spend eternity with him if you do not love him you go to the only place where he is not. Perhaps it was a bad analogy. How about one about marriage. Would you want an arranged marriage or one created out of love. He does not force us to love him because that wouldn't actually be him loving us now would it.

He doesn't punish you for not loving him? Doesn't he send people to hell for not loving him? Which is it?

How does this analogy work in relation to that? Should we punish people for not accepting marriage?

(October 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He is all powerful. He is all love and all good. The warning back then would have been taken more seriously than the warnings of today. Humans of today are a bit stupid. It wasn't a threat. He just dropped his protection on a land of people that defiled his name. kind of like Syria right now if you think of it.

So if he's all-powerful he could have done more than that? By just allowing it to happen, is he showing love?

Please define love in your own words. I keep asking and you keep not answering.

The expectations of every apologist, ever, to have haplessly wandered across these boards:



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(October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)lighthouse Wrote: This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback.

Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?

A: God is indeed a God of love. He loves all of his creations yet holds humanity among his favourite and loves them more than the others. First and foremost he created us with the gift of freewill. He gave us a perfect earth with no death or sickness. It was all just sex, good food, beautiful views, and tame animals. God had a very personal relationship with Adam and Eve. He didn’t force them into loving him back. He gave them an escape button. They took it. He is always chasing after our hearts and only wants us to chase after his heart.  His love is not forced and he gives us an option. Think of it as you have 5 children. Three of them will end up addicted to drugs and being thrown into prison for stealing and murder. The other two will solve world hunger, cure cancer, and lead the nations with strong morality. You have a choice to kill them all or raise them all. God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back. Only two choose to love him back and let him pure his knowledge and supernatural love into and the other two rejected him yet he was still with them even if they couldn’t see.

I've asked the same question and here is the answer I found: http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Eterna...Greek.html

The entire concept of eternal or everlasting punishment hinges primarily on a single verse of Scripture-- Matthew 25:46. This is the only place in the entire Bible where we find these two words together AND only in some Bibles. There are over a dozen English translations which do NOT contain the concept of "eternal punishment" on ANY of their pages, NOR the pagan concept of Hell.

The Greek form for "everlasting punishment" in Matthew 25:46 is ”kolasin aionion." Kolasin is a noun in the accusative form, singular voice, feminine gender and means "punishment, chastening, correction, to cut-off as in pruning a tree to bare more fruit." "Aionion" is the adjective form of "aion," in the singular form and means "pertaining to an eon or age, an indeterminate period of time."



God prunes our sins/aberrant growth of the soul because he loves us. Acknowledgement of wrong doing and repentance is self judgment and a letting go of aberrancy by the Grace of God. Resistance to consciousness creates heat in the soul just as surely as a bad conductor does when electric current is passed through it. The dross is burned off and this is for a limited time, not eternal.

But there is a final judgment of the universe: 11 Then I saw a great white throne and the One who sat on it. The earth and the heavens fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.…14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.

Both death and hell are destroyed. Hell cannot be eternal.

(October 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The expectations of every apologist, ever, to have haplessly wandered across these boards:

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